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#51 2006-01-23 5:15 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

justine wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I've driven fine tripping my ass off on a couple tabs of acid.  Let's legalize LSD as well.

More than likely, you THOUGHT you were driving fine.

Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking about some earlier posts.


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#52 2006-01-23 9:22 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

Robert B. wrote:

Tax it? What if I wanted to grow it in my garden, right between the tomatoes and the jalepenos? Ya gonna tax that?

How many people do you know that grow their own tobacco?  Sure some people will choose home grown if it's legalized, but I think most would rather just buy it and not have to deal with it.  (Pun not intended.)

There's a reason why marijuana is called weed, and it's because it grows like one and doesn't require the cultivation that tobacco does. On my grandparents' farm they have to cut it down all the time. Hell, legalize it and my grandparents could just let it grow and charge a fee for people to come pick it.


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#53 2006-01-23 10:13 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

wellfleation wrote:

ironhawk wrote:

It's like being drunk and very relaxed.

I don't know what you were smoking but it's nothing like being drunk. Very relaxing, yes.

But it wasn't what he was smoking, but something he drank?  wink

Well, lemme see... slowed reflexes, slowed vision... yeah, I'd say that's a bit like being drunk.
Of course, alcohol affects each person a bit differently, and it is my comparison, but I'm pretty sure there are some common characteristics, slowed reflexes being one of them.
Considering such, there should be laws similar to alcohol. No one should be driving while they're stoned or high. That's just dumb.


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#54 2006-01-23 10:57 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

justine wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I've driven fine tripping my ass off on a couple tabs of acid.  Let's legalize LSD as well.

More than likely, you THOUGHT you were driving fine.

Cheech: Man, I'm so stoned! - am I driving OK?

Chong: I think we're PARKED, man....


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

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#55 2006-01-23 11:08 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

ironhawk wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

wellfleation wrote:


I don't know what you were smoking but it's nothing like being drunk. Very relaxing, yes.

But it wasn't what he was smoking, but something he drank?  wink

Well, lemme see... slowed reflexes, slowed vision... yeah, I'd say that's a bit like being drunk.
Of course, alcohol affects each person a bit differently, and it is my comparison, but I'm pretty sure there are some common characteristics, slowed reflexes being one of them.
Considering such, there should be laws similar to alcohol. No one should be driving while they're stoned or high. That's just dumb.

I think one of the things that keeps marijuana from being legal is the fact you cannot easily test drivers for it.

Of course, if it was legal than I suspect we'd come up with a test soon enough.

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#56 2006-01-23 12:06 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

You mean like this? smile

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#57 2006-01-23 12:38 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

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#58 2006-01-23 1:45 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Oddly enough, it already is "taxed" in several states.

Link.


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#59 2006-01-23 2:03 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

If that's weed, it's really yellow.


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#60 2006-01-23 2:17 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

I was thinking you must be in Humboldt County...but I see you're a tad south of Sacramento.

Nice TiBook there. Looks like some Adobe product too.

edit: ooops. That's really what they call an 'AlBook' I think. My bad.

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#61 2006-01-23 2:54 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

mo' ron wrote:

If that's weed, it's really yellow.

One should always de-seed in the gatefold sleeve of Carole King's "Tapestry" LP.

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#62 2006-01-23 3:16 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

legalize - yes, tax - no.
As far as other industries (textile etc.) - free market.
Nothing would stop them from growing hemp.

Ever had hemp clothes? They kick ass.

Most of the hemp growing that would happen would not be for smoking. It would be for industrial purposes - where it is a very good product.


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#63 2006-01-23 4:32 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

'S'truth!  Cannabis is an extremely useful plant, far, far, far beyond its intoxicating use.

Cloth, paper, oil, paint, plastic, food ... all can be made from the cannabis plant.

Check out this link and you can read all about cannabis, its many, varied uses and the reason why it is illegal.

I'd love to see it legalized in my lifetime!


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#64 2006-01-23 4:32 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Marijuana should be a private drug.  Like I said, it should not be advertised, and not come with any advertisements.  Plus, there should be the same restrictions as alcohol on using the drug, and even more on selling/advertising.

But it should by no means be illegal, and I think it should be legal to grow any plant.  Including poppy plants.


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#65 2006-01-23 5:34 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

California state flower?

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#66 2006-01-23 7:01 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Legalize It!

Fried Chicken wrote:

Marijuana should be made by the government, so profits go back to the government, and, it should be taxed on top of that.

If it was legal in the US, people wouldn't buy it (especially from the government), they would grow it themselves, just like people in some other countries.

wellfleation wrote:

Although it shouldn't be legal by any means, I can drive perfectly fine after smoking a joint as well. It's nothing like being drunk and most people I know drive slow and extra cautiously. In fact, its rather socially acceptable in my circle to go for a ride and burn one.

*Waits for the flame throwers*

I love your NORML avatar!

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#67 2006-01-23 7:59 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Wow.  That's bold. 

Possibly too bold.  I'm removing this post temporarily for Mod-Squad review. I'll get back to you one way or the other.

- Oats

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#68 2006-01-23 9:36 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Well, I thought I had something to say, 'till I saw those pix
eekblushbig_smilecry

Anyway, the connecion with big business wanting to keep marijuana illegal has been discussed. But there are a couple of other players in this game:

The Cops and the Bad Guys!

You think the Mexican Mafia would be shooting up Neuvo Laredo if there was no profit in it. And if we (Americans) could grow it in our backyard, there would BE NO profit in it. So, make the illegal, legal, and crime would go down.
But then what would the Cops do? There are Billions of dollars being spent on Marijuana eradication. What happens to all those jobs when Marajuana is legal.
And I'm not talkin bout a $30,000/yr. cop. I mean the big boys, the ones who are part of the government.
So, both organized crime and the police, esp the corrupt police, have an intrest in seeing it remain illegal, and therefore more profitable to both of them. Don't kid yourself by thinking that the crime lords don't contribute to the election campgains of Law-n-Order politicans.
ie; The poltician says that marajuana has to be illegal to protect our childeren.
But a 6th grader can buy a joint BECAUSE its illegal. That same 6th grader cannot buy a beer at the grocery store, BECAUSE it IS legal.
Does that make sense?

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#69 2006-01-23 11:50 pm

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

ironhawk wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

wellfleation wrote:


I don't know what you were smoking but it's nothing like being drunk. Very relaxing, yes.

But it wasn't what he was smoking, but something he drank?  wink

Well, lemme see... slowed reflexes, slowed vision... yeah, I'd say that's a bit like being drunk.
Of course, alcohol affects each person a bit differently, and it is my comparison, but I'm pretty sure there are some common characteristics, slowed reflexes being one of them.
Considering such, there should be laws similar to alcohol. No one should be driving while they're stoned or high. That's just dumb.

Marijuana, while inducing a sleepy state in many, is not a tranquilizer like alcahol.  Alcahol actually impairs the physical response of your nervous system, while at the same time reducing ones sense of safety boundaries.  Marijuana does no such thing.  People who are stoned may act clueless, but it is usually because they are absorbed in thought about something else.  Marijuana does alter your perceptions based on your mood and temperament, and that is a good enough reason not to drive on it.


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#70 2006-01-24 12:15 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

Metacell wrote:

ironhawk wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:


But it wasn't what he was smoking, but something he drank?  wink

Well, lemme see... slowed reflexes, slowed vision... yeah, I'd say that's a bit like being drunk.
Of course, alcohol affects each person a bit differently, and it is my comparison, but I'm pretty sure there are some common characteristics, slowed reflexes being one of them.
Considering such, there should be laws similar to alcohol. No one should be driving while they're stoned or high. That's just dumb.

Marijuana, while inducing a sleepy state in many, is not a tranquilizer like alcahol.  Alcahol actually impairs the physical response of your nervous system, while at the same time reducing ones sense of safety boundaries.  Marijuana does no such thing.  People who are stoned may act clueless, but it is usually because they are absorbed in thought about something else.  Marijuana does alter your perceptions based on your mood and temperament, and that is a good enough reason not to drive on it.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
To say that it doesn't reduce one's sense of safety boundaries, then to say it does alter your perceptions based on mood?


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#71 2006-01-24 1:21 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

mo' ron wrote:

"Weed is for - I'm a racist cow -"

-American History X

That's an interesting filter.


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#72 2006-01-24 1:23 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

I should have said...

"Weed is for riggers."

-American History X

wink


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#73 2006-01-24 1:27 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

(CHORUS) LEGALIZE IT
DON'T CRITICIZE IT
LEGALIZE IT YEA-AH YEA-AH
AND I WILL ADVERTIZE IT

SOME CALL IT TAMJEE
SOME CALL IT THE WEED
SOME CALL IT MARIJUANA
SOME OF THEM CALL IT GANJA
NEVER MIND, GOT TO...
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SINGERS SMOKE IT
AND PLAYERS OF INSTRUMENT, TOO
LEGALIZE IT, YEA-AH YEA-AH
THAT'S THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO

DOCTORS SMOKE IT
NURSES SMOKE IT
JUDGES SMOKE IT
EVEN LAWYER, TOO
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GOOD FOR ASTHMA
GOOD FOR TUBERCULOSIS
EVEN NUMARA THROMBOSIS

GO TO...
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BIRDS EAT IT
ANTS LOVE IT
FOWLS EAT IT
GOATS LOVE TO PLAY WITH IT

SO YOU'VE GOT TO
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#74 2006-01-24 1:29 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

wellfleation wrote:

Wow.  That's bold. 

Possibly too bold.  I'm removing this post temporarily for Mod-Squad review too.

- Oats

Very nice bud you've got there.

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#75 2006-01-24 1:29 am

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Re: Should gvt's legalize and tax marijuana??

I'm all for medicinal marijuana.

I'd be for legalization of marijuana if tobacco was heavily taxed.    Otherwise, don't know.

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