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#1 2006-01-22 6:22 pm
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Good rocket nozzle material....
Ok, I'm pissed. My rockets just don't want to fly. My powder is beautiful. My rocket case is beautiful, but my nozzle makes baby jesus cry.
I've tried sandy cement, but that didn't work, it was all rocky and stuff. Non-sandy cement only comes in like 50 pound bags. Hot glue/aluminum foil/paper towel wadding doesn't work. Hot glue melts, and the aluminum foil melts, and the paper towel wadding burns away.
Other stuff works beautifully, but it doesn't stick to the case.
And I could always order rocket nozzle mix online, but I am not going to do some online order to get some nice rocket nozzles..
So, what do I need?
A rocket nozzle material that will not melt at extreme heat. It has to stick to a pvc pipe/cardboard pipe, as in, it has to take extreme pressures. It has to be something that I can easily put into a small pipe and drill a hole through, and finally, I want to get this stuff at the local hardware store or someplace similar, no online ordering...
Help!!!


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#2 2006-01-22 6:31 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
You're no Robert Goddard. 
Go to the arts & crafts store and buy Estes stuff.
Either that, or start writing your will. Don't put yourself in line for a Darwin award.
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#3 2006-01-22 6:55 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Egress wrote:
You're no Robert Goddard.
Go to the arts & crafts store and buy Estes stuff.
Either that, or start writing your will. Don't put yourself in line for a Darwin award.
Actually, Estes motors work very well, but it takes the fun out of it, and they cost quite a bit.


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#4 2006-01-22 7:04 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Better than losing an eye.
I know, I know-- you're safe. You put a big distance between yourself and the rocket. Your neighbors won't even see the explosion. Still--
The best I can say is keep an eye out for sales or find a way to get wholesale prices.
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#5 2006-01-22 7:05 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Egress wrote:
You're no Robert Goddard.
Go to the arts & crafts store and buy Estes stuff.
Either that, or start writing your will. Don't put yourself in line for a Darwin award.
Oh give him a break, plenty of people make their own rockets.
In fact, I don't think my dad even had Estes stuff when he was doing it.
Its what he did with the rockets that was the dangerous part.
I.E.: He used to like to combine his hobbies of model rockets and model airplanes and mount the rockets on the wings of his airplanes.
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#6 2006-01-22 7:06 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Egress wrote:
Better than losing an eye.
I know, I know-- you're safe. You put a big distance between yourself and the rocket. Your neighbors won't even see the explosion. Still--
The best I can say is keep an eye out for sales or find a way to get wholesale prices.
Actually, I've tried. Estes motors are like trading cards or something, you don't find wholesale prices on them. Anyway, I'm using cardboard tubes, which are basically designed to explode. PVC is dangerous, it shrapnalizes (sp?). The cardboard tubes are safe, and I have yet to have a rocket CATO. (explode!!!)


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#7 2006-01-22 7:09 pm
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Tried steel?
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#8 2006-01-22 7:09 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Fired Ceramic?
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#9 2006-01-22 7:19 pm
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Carbon Fiber?
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#10 2006-01-22 7:47 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
the only idea i've got is to watch "October Sky" and get idears. Other than that, I can't wait to hear how this turns out.
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#11 2006-01-22 7:48 pm
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Can you drill a hole through a rock? Like, granite or something?
You might also try using tile grout, though I have no idea how well it would hold up against a rocket engine.
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#12 2006-01-22 8:01 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Yeah, I'll probably have to use some sort of grout or something. I think regular cement will work, but like I said, it only comes in huge bags. And as for drilling a hole through rocks, it might work, but I need something that will hold it in the tube, but will also not melt with the heat.


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#13 2006-01-22 8:31 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Buy a big bag of cement then, you'll have lots to experiment with.
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#14 2006-01-22 8:34 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
interesting article by an interesting company.
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#16 2006-01-22 9:23 pm
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Aqua Man wrote:
Graphite?
Gladly, now tell me how I can get the graphite, and get it into a cardboard tube...
BTW, for anyone interested, I get my cardboard tubes and fuse from http://www.cannonfuse.com
And I get my potassium nitrate from http://www.ebay.com


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#17 2006-01-22 9:43 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
I used to get my saltpeter and sulphur from the local drug store.
price was comparable.
higher quality, powdered form.
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#18 2006-01-22 10:14 pm
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macnuke wrote:
I used to get my saltpeter and sulphur from the local drug store.
price was comparable.
higher quality, powdered form.
I really wish I could go to the local drug store and get those chemicals... 

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#19 2006-01-22 11:30 pm
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Fried Chicken wrote:
macnuke wrote:
I used to get my saltpeter and sulphur from the local drug store.
price was comparable.
higher quality, powdered form.I really wish I could go to the local drug store and get those chemicals...
Last time I got me some potassium nitrate and sulphur was through a pharmacy. Doubt that it'd be of much help to you but, well, whatever, couldn't hurt to ask.
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#20 2006-01-23 12:35 am
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If you use fired ceramic, it may not get hot enough on the other side to melt the glue. Ceramic is a horrible conductor of heat, which is why they use it as a heat shield for the Shuttle.
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#21 2006-01-23 5:35 am
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Yeah, ceramic might work too. You can get clay at almost any art store. Your school probably has a kiln in the arts department. I'm sure there are other places that have kilns, too.
Or you could build your own pit kiln.....
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#22 2006-01-23 4:37 pm
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Re: Good rocket nozzle material....
Well, I don't want it to be that elaborate. What would be ideal is if I could make a nozzle, let it harden for a few minutes, then load the rocket, but that only works with hot glue as far as I can tell.
Another alternative is something like grout/cement. Grout would work, but I'm not sure what kind of grout... anyone here know something or another aboug grout?


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#23 2006-01-23 4:50 pm
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What's wrong with metal?
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#24 2006-01-23 4:55 pm
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Cement would hardly harden "in a few minutes." I really think that molding then firing several ceramic nozzles would be the quickest, easiest, and overall best solution.
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#25 2006-01-23 9:08 pm
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Tallgeese wrote:
What's wrong with metal?
Too heavy. Or rather, too heavy for a small rocket. Besides, it's a lot easier to create clay nozzles than it is to machine metal ones!
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