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#1 2003-02-10 9:42 pm

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Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

When I compared the military spending and populations of our respective countries I found that the average Candian spends 25 cents a year on the military while the average American spends about 1 dollar.  Interesting.  Thats by popoulation, not total power.


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#2 2003-02-10 9:46 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Oh look... there goes my interest...

Well, seeing as to where it's got them, I'd rather be in the peace keeping shoes that have not pissed off entire countries/nations/etc.


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#3 2003-02-11 12:00 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

It's all a diversion to placate the southern masses until the invasion force is given the go-ahead to strike.


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#4 2003-02-11 12:02 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

It's all a diversion to placate the southern masses until the invasion force is given the go-ahead to strike.

Shhhhhhh.  The War of 1812 will bite them in the ass once again.


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#5 2003-02-11 12:26 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

When I compared the military spending and populations of our respective countries I found that the average Candian spends 25 cents a year on the military while the average American spends about 1 dollar.  Interesting.  Thats by popoulation, not total power.

The military budget of the U.S. is about $400 billion. And I'm pretty sure that there aren't 400 billion people living here.

*looks outside...sees nobody*

Nope, no 400 billion people here.


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#6 2003-02-11 12:29 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

yeah slarty, thats what i was thinking.

maybe he didnt take into consideration pension payments, healthcare etc?

thats where a lot of it mounts up.

i sort of hope there are aliens somewhere, maybe they'd make everyone on earth realize that we arent as different as we seem to want to think.

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#7 2003-02-11 12:44 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

lol it gets weirder in here by the minute


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#8 2003-02-11 1:11 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

When I compared the military spending and populations of our respective countries I found that the average Candian spends 25 cents a year on the military while the average American spends about 1 dollar.  Interesting.  Thats by popoulation, not total power.

The military budget of the U.S. is about $400 billion. And I'm pretty sure that there aren't 400 billion people living here.

*looks outside...sees nobody*

Nope, no 400 billion people here.

That's because the average Canadian spends $5,000 per day for the US military budget while the average American pays 13 cents every decade for the Canadian military. Seems fair to me.


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#9 2003-02-11 5:09 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the US military budget is greater than the next 20 nations combined.

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#10 2003-02-11 6:06 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the US military budget is greater than the next 20 nations combined.

From Center for Defense Information:

Selected Countries    Military Budget (In Billions)

United States    $396.1
[color=darkblue]1    Russia*


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#11 2003-02-11 7:07 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Interesting numbers there KingFred. It raises some interesting questions. South vs  North Korea, India vs Pakistan and, most importantly, why does Singapore even bother? big_smile

Given those numbers doesn't that mean by the next budget the US will be more than all of the countries on the list!


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#12 2003-02-11 7:37 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

I wish those numbers compared the same years. Our 2003 numbers are different than 2000 which many of the countries are vased on. Been nice to know also things like - Israel's number count American military aid or just what they spent?


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#13 2003-02-11 8:50 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Ya, these guys are right.  Our millitary budget is some place around $350 billion. Moreover, the US population is some place around 280 million right now.

(on a side note) Looking back to an old political sociology class I took in college, I remember hearing that its actually possible for the military to spend more then the budget allows. Due to the fact that parts of our military are profitable, we can temporarily divert money from programs such as social security; use that money for military spending;  and later put that money back into those programs with the profits earned from military research, weapons sales, and other endeavors.

Theoretically, "creative" (although not necessarily legal) accounting can bump military spending past the 500billion dollar mark while not looking as if it has done so.

Now... don't hold me to anything on this one. I'm just vaguely referencing someone else's senior thesis. Just food for thought as usual.

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#14 2003-02-11 10:57 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

With a US population of 281M (2000 Census: 281,421,906), that $396B turns out to be $1409 for every single US citizen

I work at a city college in NY and the school is about to lose a lot of federal money and then raise tuition by almost that exact amount. Students are protesting the tuition hike and their protest slogan (which I can't remember right now) equates the increased tuition with subsidizing the upcoming war.

The connection between your math (above) and the tuition hike is loose, but it's interesting that the numbers should work out in such a "Holy numerology, Batman!" kind of way.

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#15 2003-02-11 11:21 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Wow, their about to raise their tuition about as much as it's going to cost me for my degree I'm going for... (just applied for the course)


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#16 2003-02-11 11:24 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Wow, their about to raise their tuition about as much as it's going to cost me for my degree I'm going for... (just applied for the course)

You're going to get an entire degree for $1400? I'm impressed.

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#17 2003-02-12 12:47 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

It's about $2 800 CDN, with all the building/etc/etc fees involved.... of course plus books. It's a two year degree, that I'm taking (hopefully, still haven't heard back) in one year (3 semesters)... and that's all she cost. I've already paid off my University loans, and have enough for the course... now all I have to do is hope I don't waste it all when I go on my vacation mode for the summer months to get away from... something I don't know.


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#18 2003-02-12 8:27 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

One of the reasons our Military budget is so high is that we focus on Higher tech lower risk weapons.  When you look at the other countries listed they focus some on advanced tech but nowhere near the level that the US does.  It cost a lot more to make a Cruise missle than it does to train a Marine.


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#19 2003-02-12 9:14 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

The military budget in the US is much much much too large, especially since such a large amount of this money doesn't even get to the places it's supposed to go.  US service men and women are living in near poverty in some areas, so it's obviously not paying their salaries, and the government forces the military to develop useless crap that they can never get right, such as the Osprey (sp?).  This development program was nearly cancelled because it's a stupid idea, yet the government just keeps wasting more money on it.  Why?  "We can't let all the money we've put into it so far just go to waste!"  So lets waste more!  We don't need half of the destructive power that we have.  The money we spend on a fleet of aircraft that will never fly could fund a federal health care program!  This is disgusting.

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#20 2003-02-12 9:42 am

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

So where that "25 cents" number jkahless gave came from, I have no idea.

I smurfed up with the math.  Sory.


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#21 2003-02-12 5:19 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

So where that "25 cents" number jkahless gave came from, I have no idea.

I smurfed up with the math.  Sory.

No prob. But what that ratio says about military spending is unclear. The bottom line, that the US spends $396 BILLION while Canada spends a comparatively paltry $7.7 Billion still doesn't explain what the point you were trying to make might have been.

Canada is rather small compared to the US, population wise, so obviously they'll be spending less, they just don't have that sort of resource, nor are they as "Military crazy" as the US is. Even if every Canadian paid out the same $1409 per person, that would still only add up to a tenth of the US budget, about $42B, since they have a tenth of the population.

So let me ask: what were you trying to point out? I didn't get it...


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#22 2003-02-12 5:37 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

Does anyone know how much Switzerland spends?

[edit] 'twas $2.548 billion (FY01). Source: CIA World FactBook 2002


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#23 2003-02-12 5:49 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

He was trying to point out that Canada pays less per capita for the military than does the US.


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#24 2003-02-12 6:01 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

He was trying to point out that Canada pays less per capita for the military than does the US.

I got that part, it was pretty much self-evident. Sheesh. But to what point? Is this news? Is it salient to anything? That's why I'm asking HIM what his point was, perhaps he had an issue in particular he wanted to bring up. Such as "Look: they aren't as manic about their military and don't spend the massive amount each American does" or "They barely bother to spend anything".

That they pay less is not a surprise. So do the majority of the other countries listed, many have other prioroties, like maybe health care or just plain ol' development of their nation in other areas than military or just surviving on their much smaller economies. The point here is "So?" It's clear the US has the desire and ability to have the biggest and baddest army, it's the richest country in the world by miles, fer gods sakes. To expect any other country to somehow match this attitude would be silly. They have neither the financial or phylosophical need/desire/ability to do so.

So again, what was the point? I just wanted to know where he was going with his point.


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#25 2003-02-12 8:58 pm

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Re: Canada's military power is 1/4 of the US's

So again, what was the point? I just wanted to know where he was going with his point.

Pretty much nothing after that... hence my first post in this thread... it's known, and I don't think we need to spend more on military (or as much as the US per capita)... I'd rather have our heath care system...


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