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#1 2006-02-24 8:46 am

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Sex with child doll

Recently I viewed a documentary that explored the realm of Japanese culture. The specific topic explored Japanese men who have sex with sex dolls. However there is more to this than just a sex doll. Many of these sex dolls are actually child looking and child-sized dolls. Anywhere from age 5 to 12. It explained how more and more men there are beginning to date these dolls. The documentary examined how this is becoming a popular activity in Japan among many middle age Japanese males. I must say. Some of these dolls looked meticulously crafted and unmistakable real. There are even magazines that depict the dolls having sex, yet even though it looks real, it is a doll. Will this make it harder or easier to convict people with child porn?


So I beg the question.

Should this be allowed?

Should this be illegal?

Is there smt wrong with this type of thing or whatever floats ur boat?

Does this open legal doors in other countries and what mess could come from it if any?

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#2 2006-02-24 8:50 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

Thats smurfed up.


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#3 2006-02-24 9:12 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

Chickenhawk wrote:

Thats smurfed up.

A curious conclusion considering your screen name smile


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#4 2006-02-24 9:15 am

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Pariah wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

Thats smurfed up.

A curious conclusion considering your screen name smile

I use the other conotation. The political one. tongue


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#5 2006-02-24 9:31 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

I think it all boils down to whether or not this serves as an outlet or catalyst for would be pedophiles.

Someone would need to do an academic sociological and or psychological study to test this. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.


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#6 2006-02-24 9:35 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

I think it all boils down to whether or not this serves as an outlet or catalyst for would be pedophiles.

Someone would need to do an academic sociological and or psychological study to test this. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.

As if those sorts of studies have ever really yielded practical results. Look at the mish mash of conflicting and ideologically motivated studies on porn in general.
Personally I find the whole thing pretty distasteful but as far as the law goes there is no actual harm being done so Id leave it be.


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#7 2006-02-24 9:35 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

I think it all boils down to whether or not this serves as an outlet or catalyst for would be pedophiles.

Someone would need to do an academic sociological and or psychological study to test this. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.

But would you like to have a child and live next to one of these guys with a child sex doll and/or subscribes to the sex doll porno mags?


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#8 2006-02-24 9:40 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

As long as they don't infringe on my basic rights, I really don't need to know what my neighbours are up to in the privacy of their own homes.

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#9 2006-02-24 9:45 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

Alien wrote:

As long as they don't infringe on my basic rights, I really don't need to know what my neighbours are up to in the privacy of their own homes.

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#10 2006-02-24 9:49 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

What is the name of this documentary?


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#11 2006-02-24 9:52 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

The real fake


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#12 2006-02-24 10:01 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

Alien wrote:

As long as they don't infringe on my basic rights, I really don't need to know what my neighbours are up to in the privacy of their own homes.

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The "think of the children" excuse for privacy invasion is really really lame.


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#13 2006-02-24 10:33 am

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Re: Sex with child doll

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Will this make it harder or easier to convict people with child porn?

Such pornography would probably be protected by the first amendment in the United States.

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.


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#14 2006-02-24 2:56 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

From what I understand, desires that are considered pedophilia in other countries are considered normal in Japan. I don't know if the actual act is tolerated, but fantasy about it is accepted in the male population.

Perhaps some of the MAFers living in Japan could confirm/elaborate/tellmeimfullofsmurf.....


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#15 2006-02-24 4:16 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

As long as it ain't affecting actual children, I don't see how it could be illegal. What one does in the privacy of their own home, regardless of how demented it sounds, is none of our business.

Who knows - if playing fantasy with a doll will keep Mr Tanaka from preying on children, then maybe this is a good thing.


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#16 2006-02-24 4:34 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

Child porn is illegal. I believe the Department of Homeland Security sees prosecuting it as a priority.

If pictures of naked kids are illegal, inflatable sex kids to hump ...

I dunno, legally it's kind of strange. Actually it's strange in every way. Personally I wouldn't trust a guy who gets his rocks off that way (and I definitely do NOT buy the "it vents their urges" idea, I think it's much more likely to spur fanticization). Should he be prosecuted? Tough call.


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#17 2006-02-24 4:37 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

Child porn is illegal because it involves an actual child being exploited. Tis not the case when it's a doll.

I guess it depends on what the actual crime stats say about child abuse/sex crimes in Japan.


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#18 2006-02-24 5:00 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

midgetcop wrote:

Child porn is illegal because it involves an actual child being exploited. Tis not the case when it's a doll.

I guess it depends on what the actual crime stats say about child abuse/sex crimes in Japan.

You raise an excellent point.

Personally if I feel myself sexually attracted to kids, I'll decide I'm seriously SICK and need intense treatment (or death if necessary). But that's just me.


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#19 2006-02-24 5:28 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Child porn is illegal.

Only pornography involving actual children is illegal in the United States.


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#20 2006-02-24 5:32 pm

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Better to hump an anatomically correct Cabbage Patch Kid than an actual child.  Should we ban animal sex dolls for the folks into bestiality?


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#21 2006-02-24 5:40 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

Having some interest/experience with Japanese pop culture, one thing I will say is that absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc. Anyone who watches lots of anime will recognize a common trend of sexualizing pre-pubescent teenagers, and sometimes even younger. And that's not even talking about the hardcore hentai out there.

How does this effect/reflect on the rest of Japanese society? Not sure. I'm wagering a guess that their sex-crime stats are a heckuva lot lower than in North America, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


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#22 2006-02-24 5:55 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

midgetcop wrote:

Having some interest/experience with Japanese pop culture, one thing I will say is that absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc. Anyone who watches lots of anime will recognize a common trend of sexualizing pre-pubescent teenagers, and sometimes even younger. And that's not even talking about the hardcore hentai out there.

How does this effect/reflect on the rest of Japanese society? Not sure. I'm wagering a guess that their sex-crime stats are a heckuva lot lower than in North America, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

First I guess we would have to know what they consider a crime.


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#23 2006-02-24 6:00 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

Farmerkev wrote:

midgetcop wrote:

Having some interest/experience with Japanese pop culture, one thing I will say is that absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc. Anyone who watches lots of anime will recognize a common trend of sexualizing pre-pubescent teenagers, and sometimes even younger. And that's not even talking about the hardcore hentai out there.

How does this effect/reflect on the rest of Japanese society? Not sure. I'm wagering a guess that their sex-crime stats are a heckuva lot lower than in North America, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

First I guess we would have to know what they consider a crime.

To really get useful information, we'd have to get stats on frequency of behavior which we'd consider a crime (to see if certain behavior induced certain other behavior). Of course, criminalizing behavior does act as a deterrent to a certain degree so that would skew the results.

If their laws do not match ours, we can't draw any conclusions based on their behaviors.


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#24 2006-02-24 6:09 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

Farmerkev wrote:

midgetcop wrote:

Having some interest/experience with Japanese pop culture, one thing I will say is that absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc. Anyone who watches lots of anime will recognize a common trend of sexualizing pre-pubescent teenagers, and sometimes even younger. And that's not even talking about the hardcore hentai out there.

How does this effect/reflect on the rest of Japanese society? Not sure. I'm wagering a guess that their sex-crime stats are a heckuva lot lower than in North America, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

First I guess we would have to know what they consider a crime.

Good point.


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#25 2006-02-24 10:33 pm

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Re: Sex with child doll

I'm shocked that none of you have invoked Halbie's Law. I'm in shock.

bratboy wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Child porn is illegal.

Only pornography involving actual children is illegal in the United States.

Oh? did something get repealed lately?

As far as I knew, in the states anything dealing with the depictions of children is still child pornography. Archaic, IMHO, but there it is. shrug

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