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I had the wrong link. It's been fixed.

Oh, I did. But I'm not a law student, so instead of just going "gee golly, you're right", which you are, I'm just going to sit here and argue with you for a few more pages.

Sir Jarlsburg wrote:

When a guy makes use of a regular sex doll (as in an adult one), does that keep him from going after real women?

...but that's not a comparable situation.  Sex with adult women isn't illegal.

Yikes, what a topic. 

My take on it - again siding with personal liberties -  is that these dolls should be legal in every way.   It's disturbing as all hell, and I personally think that someone who likes these things should seek some sort of counciling.

Still, they're not kids who can be harmed, they're just toys that look like kids.  If no one is being injured, and no ones' rights harmed by allowing them, then they should be legal.

midgetcop wrote:

Having some interest/experience with Japanese pop culture, one thing I will say is that absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc. Anyone who watches lots of anime will recognize a common trend of sexualizing pre-pubescent teenagers, and sometimes even younger. And that's not even talking about the hardcore hentai out there.

How does this effect/reflect on the rest of Japanese society? Not sure. I'm wagering a guess that their sex-crime stats are a heckuva lot lower than in North America, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.usemb.se/children/csec/child … raphy.html

III.    GLOBAL PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

The worldwide flow of pornography is difficult to describe with any precision but a brief examination of some of the major international production centres offers a sense of the global supply and demand. In Asia, Japan is the most important centre for the commercial production of child pornography, producing a significant and increasing amount of "teen pornography" that depicts young Japanese girls in sexually explicit poses in teen magazines.     Peter Constantine, Japan's Sex Trade: A Journey Through Japan's Erotic Subcultures 184-88 (1993). Japan also produces millions of erotic comics that are targeted at young students and readily available in vending machines in most Japanese cities. Japanese child pornography reflects a special appeal for sex with Japanese girls who are often depicted in school uniforms. Pornography involving pre-pubescent children is also available commercially in Tokyo.

Japanese child pornography is distributed in Asia and worldwide. U.S. law enforcement officials in California report seizing material depicting the exposed genitals of pre-pubescent Japanese children. Canadian Customs reports that pornographic materials involving Japanese children are found in the possession of crew members of Japanese cruise ships. Japanese child pornography is also circulating on the Internet. The Yakuza, Japanese organised crime, previously controlled the sex industry in Japan. Some commentators report that tough Japanese anti-mob laws, however, have loosened the Yakuza's grip in recent years.

About the law (on the same page):

Article 175 of the Japanese Penal Code forbids the printed portrayal of adult genitals, intercourse and pubic hair. However, such representation of children's genitalia is not stringently regulated. Furthermore, Japanese commercial producers have created ingenious ways to avoid prosecution or law enforcement intervention by creating sexually explicit materials which just barely avoid depiction of forbidden body parts.

I read a story of an old guy who got away after molesting a girl in public. But I've never been there so… One thing I know is crime stats isn't something I would count on in über-pathriachal countries. Most cases are very likely unreported.

Last edited by mahakali (2006-02-28 6:28 am)

I'm a bit torn on this issue.  On the one hand, I think pedophiles are pretty disgusting and I think some of their deviancy comes from an inability to relate maturely on an emotional level with others and a need for power and control.  On the other, the primary damage to rape and molestation victims comes not from the act, but from the alienation that follows when facing society after having been violated in a forbidden and unspeakable way.  I know this from experience.  Obviously, the more puritanical the society, the greater the harm.  Sometimes I think the Netherlands has it right, that if it was all out in the open and children were educated and included in human sexuality with social consent (or at least admission), that I would not have spent most of my life in therapy and shame in my own existence.  I just don't know.  I harbor great anger and desire for vengeance against all sexual predators, but in some ways, I harbor more resentment against the society I was born into which didn't protect me, prepare me, or speak of such things (not at all in the 70's).

Last edited by Metacell (2006-03-01 8:01 am)

Arc wrote:

resedit wrote:

absolutely NOTHING is too sacred. NOTHING is too explicit, even when it comes to paedophilia, incest, bestiality, *robots*, etc.

Yup - when I first got a DVD player way back when - I was looking through DVD's at fries.
I like some asian movies (not anime, movies) - particularly martial arts. Anyway - there was a Japanese import dvd there about a scientist who created a robot girl to be his lover. I didn't buy it. I slowly backed away. But that's just me I guess.

I supose it isn't that different from Weird Science.

Not to support Toasterlove™ but isn't this just a retelling of the Pygmalion myth?

Possibly - I wouldn't really know.

Bestiality is illegal in several (but not every) state.

Probably because it offends the sensibilities of most people.

Exactly.

It's a piece of plastic. Explain.

Phydeaux wrote:

mackerm wrote:

This is statutory rape.

In more ways than one.

It's a piece of plastic. Explain.

You call it a piece of plastic. I call it a statue. And an underage one to boot.