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#1 2006-03-11 7:09 pm

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Intel Mac Mini

well i had some first had experience with one.....i must say they absolutley SUCK at games....and im not talking about with the settings on standard.....im talking about the bare minimum.....they also are completely incompatible with any linksys hardware......this is the first time ive been disappointed in Apple.....Steve Jobs really screwed up on this one......unfortunately i think ill be getting an Alienware for my computer needs very soon.....although if i have the cash i will get a maxed out desktop from Apple......this Mini was my fourth Mac by the way so i have some experience......im not talking out of complete ignorance.....


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#2 2006-03-11 8:14 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

I don't think so, I mean, Apple's page clearly states:

Mac mini features a graphics processor integrated into the system, and one that's no slouch, to boot. The Intel GMA950 graphics supports Tiger Core Graphics and the latest 3D games. It shares fast 667MHz memory with the Intel Core processor, for an incredible value proposition.

Apple wouldn't fib would they?

Which games did you try?


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#3 2006-03-11 8:14 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Which game(s) did you try out?

EDIT: Beat me by like 20 secs!

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#4 2006-03-11 8:35 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

How exactly do you mean it doesn't work with Linksys hardware?


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#5 2006-03-11 8:43 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

If hardware works on one mac it works on them all, and i'm pretty sure a good deal of linksys's products do not play well with the mac. Please tell me you bumped the ram to atleast 1 gig and are running universal apps, not emulating in roseta. Plus its been discussed a million times, the mini is not intended for gaming no matter what apple says.

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#6 2006-03-11 9:59 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Doesn't work with Linksys hardware? Only if the access point is using WEP protection. Linksys+WEP+Mac=need to enter WEP key in hex manually when connecting. And in that case, you should be glad, because WEP is completely and utterly useless. Use WPA.

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#7 2006-03-11 11:51 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

TheSpartan wrote:

well i had some first had experience with one.....i must say they absolutley SUCK at games....and im not talking about with the settings on standard.....im talking about the bare minimum.....they also are completely incompatible with any linksys hardware......this is the first time ive been disappointed in Apple.....Steve Jobs really screwed up on this one......unfortunately i think ill be getting an Alienware for my computer needs very soon.....although if i have the cash i will get a maxed out desktop from Apple......this Mini was my fourth Mac by the way so i have some experience......im not talking out of complete ignorance.....

You type like you are speaking during an asthma attack.

Also, I don't think the point ofthe mini is a gaming machine.


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#8 2006-03-12 12:30 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Booksley wrote:

Doesn't work with Linksys hardware? Only if the access point is using WEP protection. Linksys+WEP+Mac=need to enter WEP key in hex manually when connecting. And in that case, you should be glad, because WEP is completely and utterly useless. Use WPA.

Did that with mine - worked fine.  In fact, the one of the two windows boxes here refused to take it.  So I ended up just using MAC address lock-down instead.


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#9 2006-03-12 9:22 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Arc wrote:

TheSpartan wrote:

well i had some first had experience with one.....i must say they absolutley SUCK at games....and im not talking about with the settings on standard.....im talking about the bare minimum.....they also are completely incompatible with any linksys hardware......this is the first time ive been disappointed in Apple.....Steve Jobs really screwed up on this one......unfortunately i think ill be getting an Alienware for my computer needs very soon.....although if i have the cash i will get a maxed out desktop from Apple......this Mini was my fourth Mac by the way so i have some experience......im not talking out of complete ignorance.....

You type like you are speaking during an asthma attack.

Also, I don't think the point ofthe mini is a gaming machine.

i know that the mini wasnt meant for that but i tried running low spec games with ultra low settings.....examples are Wolfenstein ET and Americas Army.......when i said that it has trouble with a Linksys Router i got this info from a Mac Genius when i swapped my mini because it had ultra slow internet speeds off of an 8Mbps connection......he said that Airport Extreme cards and Linksys had a history of being a problem for some reason and that some people couldnt walk 10 feet away without their connection dropping but that they could walk 70 feet to the other side of the walkway in the mall and still get full signal from the Apple store base stations.....its probably because its 3rd party and not meant for Mac hardware although its supposed to be compatible......im taking the Mini back and getting an Alienware instead.....ill just stick OSX86 on it tongue

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#10 2006-03-12 9:52 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

You do realize that Wolfenstein ET and America's Army aren't unversal binary, right? You're trying to run medium-end games in emulation on a low-end system. Of course that wouldn't work out. And I'm sorry, but if you can afford an Alienware, you can afford something better than a mini. roll An iMac will give you much better gaming performance than a mini. Also, I personally wouldn't want to have to rely on a hacked system.

BTW, ever hear of something called "periods" which are often followed by spaces? They separate your phrases much better than extended ellipses.


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#11 2006-03-12 10:41 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

lol if you havent noticed i sort of over do it with the periods....


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#12 2006-03-12 11:06 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Drop the insults, fella.

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#13 2006-03-13 1:34 am

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

roll they started it....


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#14 2006-03-13 3:36 am

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Arc's comment was constructive criticism in a witty way. Your comment was simply an insult.


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#15 2006-03-13 3:46 am

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

the intel mac minis (and im sure all intel macs) dont even have airport extreme cards in then, so im not sure wtf your talking about...


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#16 2006-03-13 2:12 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

ConnertheCat wrote:

Did that with mine - worked fine.  In fact, the one of the two windows boxes here refused to take it.  So I ended up just using MAC address lock-down instead.

Maybe they changed something in the Airport updates or Linksys changed the WEP generator, but for the life of me I couldn't get WEP+Linksys BEFSR11+Mac working. On the new Linksys WRT54G though, WPA works fine on the Mac. More secure too. The Windows XP laptop needed an update, but otherwise worked fine.

So use WPA! It's good(tm)

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Going back to the original topic, yes the mini sucks for games. Did you expect it to be good?

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#17 2006-03-13 2:14 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Booksley wrote:

Going back to the original topic, yes the mini sucks for games. Did you expect it to be good?

I always buy the cheapest thing someone makes, an expect it to be amazing!


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#18 2006-03-13 5:04 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Whaddya mean the new Mini can't run Doom 3 with "quad-pixel-shader-transforming-light bending-time travel" settings or any other high-end new game?

I think akb's comment about running medium quality games on a low-end system through emulation hits the nail on the head. Until we can get universal versions of some of these games, I just don't think we can truly gauge how this system is going to run. Not to mention it is an ENTRY LEVEL machine.


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#19 2006-03-13 8:33 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Well its not the fact that it cant run games all that well....the whole thing with the internet is what really pissed me off.....in response to NoExit....wtf are talking about? of course the new Intel Mini's come with AirPort Extreme cards.....as i said before a guy at the Apple store said that sometimes people come in with the same problem that i have.....he also said that in most cases it was a Linksys piece of hardware that was the problem and that if they switched to a Base Station that the problem went away....


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#20 2006-03-13 10:17 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

TheSpartan wrote:

Well its not the fact that it cant run games all that well....the whole thing with the internet is what really pissed me off.....in response to NoExit....wtf are talking about? of course the new Intel Mini's come with AirPort Extreme cards.....as i said before a guy at the Apple store said that sometimes people come in with the same problem that i have.....he also said that in most cases it was a Linksys piece of hardware that was the problem and that if they switched to a Base Station that the problem went away....

Actually, NoExit is correct, the new Intel Macs all use the Intel PRO/Wireless PCIe module for wireless b/g (and possibly a) support. The reason why the Genius is telling you to get an Apple Airport Base Station is because it's an Apple product, and is tested to work with other Apple products.

Trust me, the Linksys router works just fine. Wireless standards exist for a reason. Aside from that, it could be environmental problems with lack of range/speed. And you need to take into account the latency wireless adds.

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#21 2006-03-13 10:50 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

Booksley wrote:

TheSpartan wrote:

Well its not the fact that it cant run games all that well....the whole thing with the internet is what really pissed me off.....in response to NoExit....wtf are talking about? of course the new Intel Mini's come with AirPort Extreme cards.....as i said before a guy at the Apple store said that sometimes people come in with the same problem that i have.....he also said that in most cases it was a Linksys piece of hardware that was the problem and that if they switched to a Base Station that the problem went away....

Actually, NoExit is correct, the new Intel Macs all use the Intel PRO/Wireless PCIe module for wireless b/g (and possibly a) support. The reason why the Genius is telling you to get an Apple Airport Base Station is because it's an Apple product, and is tested to work with other Apple products.

Trust me, the Linksys router works just fine. Wireless standards exist for a reason. Aside from that, it could be environmental problems with lack of range/speed. And you need to take into account the latency wireless adds.

qft - though, like resedit said, you might need a firmware update for the router.


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#22 2006-03-14 2:42 am

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

oh snaps !! i got told !! oh wait no i didnt. sparty next time check your facts ok ? then maybe next time you wont look like a fool smile


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#23 2006-03-14 5:03 am

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oh snaps you did get owned!!.....god i hate lame asses like yourself......for all those that said there was no AirPort Extreme card....please direct your attention to the bottom right hand corner of the picture.....NoExit you got owned....

Edit: The pic got kind of squashed but its straight from the Apple Web Page....the specs which say there IS an AirPort Extreme card is here http://www.apple.com/macmini/whatsinside.html....it may not be the EXACT same card that you can go and buy but it is still the same technology....they obviously had to size it down....

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#24 2006-03-14 11:26 am

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

It's branded as AirPort Extreme because that's what Apple will always brand 802.11g in their machines.  The chipset used this time around, however, is quite different from what Apple has used in the past.


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#25 2006-03-14 1:49 pm

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Re: Intel Mac Mini

TheSpartan wrote:

he also said that in most cases it was a Linksys piece of hardware that was the problem and that if they switched to a Base Station that the problem went away....

He's saying that because, frankly, he doesn't know how to tell people to configure their setup properly with the Linksys (it sometimes requires hand-holding) whereas the Airport Base Stations are easier to set up. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Linksys router and Macs - I use one here to connect my G5 and an Intel iMac just fine.


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