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XYZ:

Drug abuse is irresponsible behavior by definition.

But you went straight to the extreme, most drug users (MARIJANA-MOST COMMONLY USED CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE IN THE US) do not abuse it.

How many people use heroin responsibly?

"then the claim that these awful products kill is substantially weakened."

We are all the products of genetics and socialization. Violence in our culture socializes us. It plays an important role in forming our very personality.

That role is not to be dismissed with hyperbole.

The Nazi children's books that portrayed Jews as evil mushroom people (and so forth) didn't get up an kill Jews. But, their influence is not to be underestimated.

There is a reason why we don't have Faces of Death on cable TV on Saturday mornings for kids to watch. Yet, many might actually argue that that wouldn't be a bad thing, which is appalling.

First you compare violent video games to Nazi mind control, and then to heroin.  Talk about hyperbole!

My favorite games: (not in any particular order)

Quake Series.
Doom Series
Unreal series
Myth Series
Marathon Series
Warcraft Series
Diablo Series
JK: II
MoH:AA
Dark Castle Series
Wolfenstein Series
I forget the others right now...

Now due to the last one I mentioned, you can tell I have been playing longer than quite a few people here... and not to mention that probably longer than quite a few have been alive here...

Although life has been cruel to me in the past, I have yet to kill anyone...

So tell me please what is wrong with that picture? If anything, i should be a killing maniac by now because of all the "violent" games I have played.

Cyberpawz

To be quite honest, based upon some of your posts here, I do think you have a good amount of violence in you. For example, you frequently advocate remorselessly killing, torturing, and bombing people, and seem to have no problem justifying civilian casualties.

I'm not suggesting that you're a sociopath or anything, but you're definitely more aggressive than the average person.

I wouldn't say that, it may be that I actually state my opinions more openly than most dare to? For they may be afraid of the repercussions of what people think of them? As I have stated many times in the past, I care less what people think of me.  Actions speak louder than words.  I have not had a speeding ticket for over 10 years, and I have a more than clean police record (since I have none to begin with) and my credit is good too.

So needless to say, I actually may be your average joe who cares and voices his opinion, instead of bottling it up and hoping things get better.

Mind control does exist, and it really doesn't take very much to get humans to do very bad things.

i agree with you on this.

games, music, movies, etc...  have influence on SOME people.  mainly thoughs who don't have another influence in their lives and are literally raised by television, music, etc...  not to pat my own back, but my parents raised me, not my nintendo or the vhs deck.  they would only allow me to watch tv or play video games about 1 hour a day.  they also raised me to know that what i see on tv or play in my video games was simply for entertainment and should not be played out in real life.  sounds like common sense now, but being a child you need to be told these things.  it's a part of parenting.

i'm going to use these "thug-wanna-be's" as an example...  look at their family background.  i know personally, the ones i know of come from broken homes where the parents (or lack thereof) didn't put any sort of dicipline in the child and also didn't pay much attention to them.  so they'd listen to their music all the time to keep them company.  therefore, being raised by snoop, tupac, master p, etc...

i listened to rap in high school, but it had no influence on me because i knew i couldn't get a job dressed in clothes 8 times too big wearing platinum chains and grabbing my crotch saying "you know what i'm sayin'" after every sentence.  but some of my other friends tried to live that lifestyle.  buying the big clothes, the big chains, doing the drugs, etc...

people naturally try to fill in voids where the parents or other positive influences failed to do so.

Thanks for reinforcing my point XYZ.

I'm just amazed that someone was willing to debate with him with that weird "Nazi" tangent that had absolutely nothing to do with video games.

So needless to say, I actually may be your average joe who cares and voices his opinion, instead of bottling it up and hoping things get better.

The suggestion that everyone thinks the way you do, but is afraid to express it, leads me to believe that you need psychological help.

A thing about opinions, they are so readily available, but almost never needed.

Zing!  Man, you really got me there.  Ha, wow, I mean, how will I ever recover from such devastating wit?  Seriously, wow.  Where did you get that?  Do you have some sort of clever book or something?  Because I would love something like that, where I could get incredibly clever comebacks and stuff.  That would be great.  Thanks, let me know.

your whole country has a massive problem with availabilty of weapons, and that is partly due to the gun lovers stubboness regarding any sort of legislation to make things harder for people to get guns.

I have some FBI links that would disagree with what you say, if you start a new topic i will post them. I'd rather not to hijack this topic.

I'm entering the conversation a little late, but I'd still like to weigh in.

"Oh boo hoo, the video game made me do it! I'm not responsible for my actions!"

No.

- robbing dozens and killing five people in the largest single crime wave last year as Oakland reeled from its highest homicide toll since 1997.

Have they been convicted yet? (The article was from February 03.) I hope they didn't get off easy.

And here I was thinking Tievsky and ClayH had come back...

And here I was thinking Tievsky and ClayH had come back...

Never left...new name.  -T