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MacMonkey wrote:

I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night...

Well, there's your first problem.

Hank Rearden wrote:

MacMonkey wrote:

I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night...

Well, there's your first problem.

Hi Hank.

Hank Rearden wrote:

Oh my goodness, don't tell me that I think like Steyr!

Could be a sign of the end times.

Do we not like Goerge Noory here in MiniThink? I find the show thought-provoking, even though there are a couple nuts in the guest lineup.

I just want to know which side to be on.
If america tells the UN to F-off and comes to the aid of israel when they are in their time of need, then I will be greatly relieved.

because evil is evil?

Ofcourse.
It only happens 1 time so they speak about it for thousands of years, true.

Like that you die, you know that yo will die, you can worry about it each day and you know it happens but when?

Perhaps when the signs are clear?
(like old age, cancer, bad health in general etc).

Last edited by Proost (2006-03-27 2:34 am)

MacMonkey wrote:

Does anyone here believe what the bible says in revelations?

Yes.
However - I don't think ROJ (Revelation of John) is fully understood yet.

Now I'm not a christian at all, but I don't think that the bible was written buy some lunatic either and it might in fact be slightly prophetic.
I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night and the guest was comparing events that have happened, are happening, and may happen in the near future to those mentioned in the bible.

One has to be careful - sometimes the comparisons require taking stuff out of context.
ROJ was written in the apocalyptic genre - which assigns certain meanings to certain things. Sometimes people ignore those meanings and make up their own.

I don't ever believe everything I hear on that show, but this just gave me the heebie jeebies, more than most other episodes.
He talked about how the national ID system may in fact be the mark of the beast and how it says in the old testament that the 112th pope(meaning next) will be an evil pope.

The national ID system is probably not the so called "Mark of the Beast" and there is nothing in the Old Testament about the 112th pope. I think I know what you are talking about, though - I believe it comes from the writings of a Catholic priest who claimed to have been a prophet - has been eerily correct, but not 100%. When they aren't 100% then the source of their prophecy was not (at least all of the time) God.

I don't think that the world will truly end, but some big stuff looks like it will be coming.

There is some big stuff coming, but you don't have to be religious to see that.
All through our history on this planet, at some point technology is used by someone to do great harm. The capabilities provided by our current technology make the damage that can be done that much more.

Anyways, I thought I'd bring up the resemblance between the mention of something known as the "mark of the beast" and the new national ID system that may be implemented soon.

OK.
Keep in mind that resemblance doesn't mean that that's what it is.
I believe that sometimes there are foreshadowing events.

Abraham sacrificing his son and having a ram provided to take his sons place was a foreshadow of Messiah.

The passover lamb - its blood protecting the firstborn of Israel from the angel of death was a foreshadow of Messiah.

There will be things that look like the prophecy but are not the fulfillment.
There will be wars and rumors of wars, but these things are not the end - just the birthpangs.

Revelation 13:17 wrote:

16.He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17. so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

A mark on your hand or forehead that is required to buy or sell? Sounds like an RFID microchip to me.

It is possible that there will be such a literal fulfillment of that prophecy, but I don't think that is what it means. This is apocalyptic literature, and there usually is meaning deeper than the literal text.

I wish I had a reference - but apparently, a mark on the right hand or forehead was a mark of allegience. The reference in ROJ may just indicate a necessity to pledge one's allegience to the beast.

Allegience isn't really the right word, more like willing slave.

Revelation 14:11 wrote:

9.A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10. he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

I think its safe to say that this is some kind of warning.
Discuss.

See - there is more context.
It talks about worshipping the beast and his image.
The mark is not just an RFID chip, though RFI chips may be required.

I won't have an RFID chip implanted in me simply because it gives government a little too much ability to monitor me. But I would be very cautious in assuming that the mark is a physical literal mark - RFID or otherwise.

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AAPL Shareholder wrote:

Note to self:
Write book of vague prophecies and creationism.

Worked for Joseph Smith

emember that God's law to the Hebrews said that it should be applied to the heart and soul as "a sign upon your hand" and "a frontlet band between your eyes."

Exactly.

I remember back in the 80's when the usual scum like Pat Robertson and the other TV preachers were all raking in millions selling the idea that the fall of the Soviet Union was an irrefutable sign of the end times.

After fasting for many years in the desert I have returned to enlighten you with the Word!