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gozer wrote:

we had to put a XP sticker on it though to comply with the EULA. under the battery. where no one will ever see it.

Are you serious? Where in the EULA does it say the computer must have a Windows logo on it? I'd check more myself but that's some long-ass Smurf.

gozer wrote:

Jasoco wrote:

gozer wrote:

we had to put a XP sticker on it though to comply with the EULA. under the battery. where no one will ever see it.

Are you serious? Where in the EULA does it say the computer must have a Windows logo on it? I'd check more myself but that's some long-ass Smurf.

not the logo, the serial number code thingy. it's supposed to be attached to the machine using that copy of windows.

Well then, you're a bigger zombie than I am.

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.

AppleInsider.com from the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The report also notes that Apple's Boot Camp requires a new copy of Windows XP, which is available for suggested retail prices of $199 and $299, depending upon the edition "It won't work to use less-costly upgrade versions or software installation disks for PCs that users already have."

I think they don't want to advertise that but there is no technical reason (that I can think of) why an OEM XP copy or an XP upgrade disc with a win98 cd lying around would not work.

Actually you could convert MCE to a single-disk DVD version: Link.

Edits to fix my bad.

Last edited by Zetetic Apparatchik (2006-04-07 1:05 pm)

Jasoco wrote:

Yeah, seriously. Wouldn't that make it easier for someone who doesn't own the computer to wander by, copy down the serials from all the machines (Yeah, I know you hid yours under the battery. But all the other PC's I've seen, especially Compaq, have had it right on the outside of the case.) and post them on teh intarwebs?

Seems pretty stupid, no dumbassed if you ask me.

Also, I still don't see that in the EULA. I searched for "sticker" and "logo" before, now I've searched for "key" and "serial". I need proof. Nay, I demand proof!

we go by the book

i'd never do it to my machine, but it technically should be done.

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Actually you could convert MCE to a single-disk DVD version: Link.

Edits to fix my bad.

I was wondering about that.  Thanks for that link.  Hopefully the IR port on the iMac will work soon, but I wonder about the RF remotes that are out there for Front Row.

If I were to install XP on a Mac (if I owned an Intel Mac) I would probably do the MCE edition.

The other label says that the manufacturer is required to place the sticker.  I didn't build my iMac. 

Also, it doesn't say anything about keeping it on there. They put it there so all the Windows users will be able to quickly refer to it during the 50 or so reinstalls they'll no doubtedly go through during the computers lifespan.

At lease YOU put it unter the battery. As long as you can get to it when you need to reinstall, that's all that matters.

Also, they only put it on the computer because they want people to know that copy of Windows is attached to that computer only and want to deter would-be pirates from coming up with the idea of loading it on all their machines.

Also, it makes Microsoft's ego swell just a little more with every sticker attached.

Same with Intel. Thank God they haven't forced Apple to put the logo on our Macs yet. I dread the day Macs come shipped with a copy of Vista and OS X pre-installed and a goddamn "Powered by Microsoft Vista" sticker on the case.

I'm glad I'm not a huge online game fan. If I use Windows on my (future) Mac, it'll be to play an FPS in single-player mode. Windows is safest with just the power cord attached.


Oh, and even if Windows does crash to the point where I can't play any real games, I can always play the Item Game.

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.

AppleInsider.com from the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The report also notes that Apple's Boot Camp requires a new copy of Windows XP, which is available for suggested retail prices of $199 and $299, depending upon the edition "It won't work to use less-costly upgrade versions or software installation disks for PCs that users already have."

An  "upgrade version" is a version that will upgrade you from Windows 98 to XP.  "Installation disks for PCs that users already have" simply means that you can't install the same copy of XP on more than one machine at a time (without getting a new activation key), even if the second machine happens to be an iMac with Boot Camp.  This has nothing to do with OEM versions, which should work just fine.

To revisit the 3rd party support issue, the most important point is this:  The ability to run Windows does NOT devalue the Mac software market.  People buy Macs to run Mac software on Macs.  The market is still there, and as long as there is a market, developers will be fighting for a piece of the action.  Remember, it is the consumers who create the market, not the other way around.  Developers are our guests, and they can either embrace us and make some money, or they can ignore us and loose our business.  The only time when we would be in jeapordy, is if the Mac market becomes so small (in raw numbers, not percents) that developers can no longer develop for Mac while still turning a profit.  We are nowhere near that point.  In fact, the Mac market is growing, and the Boot Camp announcement will only fuel that growth.  Any developer who would even think about bailing out now, would be making a very unwise move.  Conversely, now is the perfect time for previously Windows-only developers to start considering the Mac. 

Again, it's the same deal with games.  The Mac gaming market has been a joke for years, but it has managed to survive.  How?  Apparently, there's enough people willing to play games in OS X, and that's not going to change with this announcement.  Sure there are some guys like me who currently use a hi-end PC for games and a lo-end mini for everything else.  But how does that affect the Mac gaming market?  The last Mac game I bought was Tomb Raider 3, so right now, I am not part of the Mac gaming market.  However, since my next Mac will be able to dual boot, I plan on ditching my PC and getting one hi-end Mac for everything.  On the surface, all this means is that I'll be able to continue playing games in Windows, while also saving some money.  Upon closer look, it means that I will automatically be a part of the Mac gaming market because I will then own a computer that is capable of playing Mac games.  And as I wrote earlier, once the market is there, the developers will follow.  What's to stop them from continuing to ignore us?  Easy, money.  If a company is willing to port a game to a growing market with little competition, that company will make money.  It's that simple.  Everybody wins:  Apple, developers and the consumer.  I'm not suggesting that the future will bring Mac gaming nirvana.  Most games use DX9, so most games won't see a profitable path to the Mac dispite the increased market share.  All I'm saying is that Boot Camp is at least a step in the right direction.

If I really want games, i'd get a console....

reece_james wrote:

If I really want games, i'd get a console....

1. There is lots of game that play a lot better with a computer then console,

if you continue with your logic,

should you get a word processor instead of computer if you want to type document?
should you get a dvd/hdtv instead of using your computer if you want to pop in a dvd movie or 2 once in awhile to relax?
Should you get a hifi system instead of using your computer if you want to listen to some music while you work?
Should you get a internet phone iinstead of skype-headset if you want to use voip?
Should you get a (name your dedicated Macnhine) instead of using your computer?

Reeece_james, let me save you some time, the answer to all of the above is yes, if you have unlimited budget and would like to, but with computer as of today, the beauty is you don't have to.

Reece_james, what is the magic of computer? is it because of the Apple logo or because it can be many thing depend on what program you are using? a "muti function machine"