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Oh, and now the MacBookPro potentially becomes THE executive laptop...take that Dell!

mikedemo wrote:

I predict  Adobe stops Mac development of their products, [...]

No. There's more that binds the graphics industry to the Mac platform than just "it can't run the Windows version." The Mac is simply the better platform for the job. Colour management, for instance, is miles better on the mac than on Windows. Workflow integration through AppleScript, stuff like that give sthe Mac the edge.

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Great things like OSX take time to nurture.  Believe it or not, there are people who STILL think the Mac OS is some weird proprietary thing that cannot communicate with any other systems.  I've said this before, but regardless of what "business" you think Apple is in, they now have THE "World Class Operating System" and they stand to gain market share because of it - over time of course. 

What Apple has is a "WORLD CLASS" computing experience for the average home user and a large segment of the creative corporate user.  Linux can't touch it, and Windows, well...enough said.

Just wait until the day comes that Corporate IT departments catch on to the overall lower cost of ownership when you account for maintenance on a Windows based network of desktops compared to Mac desktops!  I know in many companies, a simple mac-mini with a 17" LCD loaded with MS Office would be more than enough computer for their everyday needs (although many companies rely heavily on MS Access).

carry on...

mikedemo wrote:

I totally agree. I use macs everyday for print and video work. What I am alluding to is the average computer user doesn't need those capabilities you wrote about. Mac OS more than ever will become niche. I've seen this happen to the Amiga, Atari ST, and its smelling like it could happen to Mac OS and its software.

I would argue that Adobe doesn't create most of their software programs for the "average computer user."

Alien wrote:

jetson wrote:

Just wait until the day comes that Corporate IT departments catch on to the overall lower cost of ownership when you account for maintenance on a Windows based network of desktops compared to Mac desktops!

That day won't come, no matter what the savings, until Apple starts getting serious about corporate IT support.

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Don't bet on it, the PC crew here wants to get away from Dell, HP, and other companies... they love the Apple design. 

If I can get an Intel Mac, and get XP running on it... I'll have the PC people drooling... not to mention most PC computer companies quaking in their boots

Last edited by Cyberpawz (2006-04-05 12:00 pm)

reece_james wrote:

Well here's the thing.

How easy is it to pirate a game for Windows compared to the Mac?A A lot harder simply cause there aren't as many copies floating around.

Um. No. Piracy occurs almost as much on the Mac as it does on Windows and it's not entirely silly to say it is more damaging.

I predict that the exact opposite will happen:

Once people realize they can run Windows on a Mac, that breaks down the largest barrier for Mac adoption: buying a Mac. Before, you couldn't run Windows on a Mac (so you weren't "compatible" with the rest of the world), so buying a Mac was a risky prospect for those on the fence. This move by Apple basically removes the fence altogether.

Mac sales will start to go up based on this development, and even though people will install and run Windows to start with, they'll see the elegance and superiority of Mac OS X, so they'll want to spend most of their time in that environment.

Better than any other time in computing history, this will give people a direct compare/contrast of the two OSes. People will see that computing doesn't have to be a pain in the ass, and they'll develop higher standards, and I honestly don't think Microsoft is up to the task of bringing their OS up to the standards of Mac OS X and its development community.

People have gotten sick of Microsoft. Unless they can truly innovate (and history shows that they simply can't), their day in the sun is over.

mikedemo wrote:

Alien wrote:

mikedemo wrote:

I predict  Adobe stops Mac development of their products, [...]

No. There's more that binds the graphics industry to the Mac platform than just "it can't run the Windows version." The Mac is simply the better platform for the job. Colour management, for instance, is miles better on the mac than on Windows. Workflow integration through AppleScript, stuff like that give sthe Mac the edge.

,xtG
.tsooJ

I totally agree. I use macs everyday for print and video work. What I am alluding to is the average computer user doesn't need those capabilities you wrote about. Mac OS more than ever will become niche. I've seen this happen to the Amiga, Atari ST, and its smelling like it could happen to Mac OS and its software.

As for the hardware. They will become pretty intel boxes, that most people, most of the time will be running windows. Hell if Apple plays it smart, they'll release their color management system for use on Windows.

I enjoy working on the Mac OS platform and hope its here to stay. Games are the most vulnerable because of this move by Apple. I just hope the bleeding stops there.

PS: First release of Adobe Photoshop for Windows was April, 1993.

One critical element is missing from that argument:

Support.

While it may not matter as much to most end users, especially to the geeks of the world, it is critical to businesses.

Why do you think businesses upgrade?  The company drops support for the product.  A lot of companies would still be using Windows NT if Microsoft didn't end support for it.  Why wouldn't they?  It works, and it saves a hell of a lot of money by not upgrading.

I don't see the end happening.  The Mac is already a niche market and has been for years.  More years than I have been using Macs (which is going on 12 years now).

Adobe could have dumped Apple on one of three transitions - they aren't doing any of them.

There is money to be made - especially with Universal binary versions of the Creative Suite apps.

Adobe is even brining back some apps that were previously discontinued on the Mac.

If anyone should be concerned about Adobe, it is Apple's increasing amount of competition they are giving them.

MacBoy4139 wrote:

ConnertheCat wrote:

Alien wrote:

That day won't come, no matter what the savings, until Apple starts getting serious about corporate IT support.

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.tsooJ

I don't see it happening in the general corporate market - the IT departments there are entrenched in Windows, and they aren't going to recommend something that is going to put them out of a job.

Also, the cost of re-development and testing is HUGE.  Companies resisted switching from OS/2 to NT due to that reason.

Now comes the question, will products that only worked on a PC before now be able to work on the Mac with XP installed?

Yes. So? Mac hardware is not value for money in a corporate environment.

This is bait, plain and simple.  It will help lure in PC users who were afraid to jump in with both feet.

Windows is still there, on the same machine, if they need it.  Hopefully, they will boot into OS X enough that they'll realize it's BETTER than windows.

And heck, for all we know Apple will wait until its hardware market share is at 20%, then pull the plug on Windows support...

To everyone saying that now there's no reason for developers to create Mac versions of their apps, I'll repost what I posted at Slashdot:

Just because Macs can run Windows doesn't mean that Mac users will prefer to or even want to run Windows.

There's still just as much reason to develop those programs for OS X, and now, with marketshare bound to increase, some number of people will be switchers who try out OS X and don't want to go back to Windows, or don't want to even have Windows installed.

While the number of Mac + Windows users will probably be substantial, there will be a number of users who just don't like Windows, and that number will be going up from where it is now.

lamewing wrote:

And the next step (which Jobs won't ever admit to) is releasing OSX for the PC....

This will provide a greater OSX community for developers by expanding OSX to those who would never buy a Mac. Of course after they get OSX and see how nice it is...it is only a short step to deciding to buy a bit of Apple hardware. People may scoff at this idea, but they again, folks called me crazy for stating that Apple would provide a simple solution for dual-booting Windows. It is just a matter of time...


.... until I buy that new intel ibook this summer

Along with that announcement, he will also say that he will deliver each copy in person and help you install it.