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#1 2006-04-06 4:44 am

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Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

iPod and iTunes!

Think about it, everyone goes to the iTunes music store on a regular basis. Apple regulates the content on the iTunes store. Steve jobs has a big sway over at Disney. Is it me or does Apple have some access to some mighty big billboards? Slapping an Apple ad at the start of a Disney Movie or DVD, plugging it on the iTunes Store or letting the Media run a muck! No other company has this much positive media attention with the consumer ATM. All they need to do is start plugging the Mac a bit more where they can. Disney would be a great start, as too would the iTunes store! Adding a banner on the front page for a week would generate such a buzz!

Finally, what we need is a compiler/compiling suit which will convert almost any (relatively simple) windows native code straight to an OS X app. If Apple has that in it's arsenal, then there is almost no excuse for developers to not develop for OS X. Instantly you get a lot more cross platform developers onside.

Anyone else got some plausible theories for or against the idea?


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#2 2006-04-06 5:39 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

If they where to start advertising the mac and such i would think they would wait until the intel migration is over.

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#3 2006-04-06 5:42 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Avari wrote:

If they where to start advertising the mac and such i would think they would wait until the intel migration is over.

Now would be a good time for the iPalm or whatever. The iBook would also be a good start!


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#4 2006-04-06 5:44 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

They can't slap an apple add on the beginning of a disney movie unless they pay to do show.
You see - Steve isn't the only Disney shareholder, and there are laws to prevent exactly what you suggest.

Disney has look out for the best interests of all their shareholders - not just the major shareholder by favoring another company he has major stock in.

Apple is free to arrange marketing with Disney - but they have always had that ability.


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#5 2006-04-06 5:47 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Yeh..that thought crossed my mind also...Imsure Apple would have to pay through the bunghole to advertise in a disney movie just as anyone else would be expected too... smile


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#6 2006-04-06 6:05 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Well, lets keep our fingies crossed that the Apple Corps / Apple Comp lawsuit jobby goes well then...

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#7 2006-04-06 7:50 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

tomfoolery wrote:

Well, lets keep our fingies crossed that the Apple Corps / Apple Comp lawsuit jobby goes well then...

tF

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#8 2006-04-06 9:12 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Avari wrote:

If they where to start advertising the mac and such i would think they would wait until the intel migration is over.

They have already started advertising the Mac.  Their online ads can be seen on Wired.com and Macworld.com for starters.


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#9 2006-04-06 9:19 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Yeah the ads are all-over the web. However where we look isn't necessarily where everyone else does. iTunes is where everyone looks. The Mac needs to be plugged on there. Better yet, a link to the Applestore on there!

Apple has to drum up some serious media coverage to survive. Like they need the hottest hardware, the coolest dongles and hopefully a Mac only game that makes every geek drool!


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#10 2006-04-06 11:22 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

reece_james wrote:

iPod and iTunes!

Think about it, everyone goes to the iTunes music store on a regular basis.

I don't. I won't. Thus OS X is doomed. Have a nice day.


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#11 2006-04-06 1:20 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Mac OS X won't go the way of OS/2 because of 2 things:
First of all, people switch to Mac because of the OS. They are tired of using Windows, and want to use something better. They may use Windows for a few things they need, but other than that they will continue to run OS X.

Secondly, OS/2 was able to run Windows apps, but not vice versa. Since no reboot was required, all (or most) of the developers would only create Windows apps since both OSs could run them natively. With that, there were no actual OS/2 apps. For Mac OS X, you will still need to either reboot or run under virtualization, which will never be a complete solution. Even with WINE, it will never be as good as running it under Windows.


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#12 2006-04-06 2:02 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

akb825 wrote:

Even with WINE, it will never be as good as running it under Windows.

WINE only does a very few apps exceptionally well.
Most apps - a lot doesn't work.

Oh - and OS/2 failed for numerous reasons.


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#13 2006-04-06 3:50 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

akb825 wrote:

OS/2 was able to run Windows apps, but not vice versa. Since no reboot was required, all (or most) of the developers would only create Windows apps since both OSs could run them natively. With that, there were no actual OS/2 apps.

There was (is) a lot of professional software for OS/2, because it offered a solid, stable environment when Windows didn't. It just never cought on in the consumer space.

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#14 2006-04-06 4:17 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Alien wrote:

akb825 wrote:

OS/2 was able to run Windows apps, but not vice versa. Since no reboot was required, all (or most) of the developers would only create Windows apps since both OSs could run them natively. With that, there were no actual OS/2 apps.

There was (is) a lot of professional software for OS/2, because it offered a solid, stable environment when Windows didn't. It just never cought on in the consumer space.

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#15 2006-04-06 6:16 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

test wrote:

reece_james wrote:

iPod and iTunes!

Think about it, everyone goes to the iTunes music store on a regular basis.

I don't. I won't. Thus OS X is doomed. Have a nice day.

Hehe. Still, it has to be recognised that Apple has a giant billboard which a lot of people visit on their own free will.

We have iLife which is a killer suit of apps, but what we really need now is a clincher. We need an app that only runs on OS X that everyone wants, loves and needs to use. It also needs to be here before Vista and 10.5. (10.5 might be it however)


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#16 2006-04-11 3:09 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Basically Apple is confident enough that OS X will continue to be the best with Vista in the game. And they're probably right. It's a bit of a risk, but maybe they'll be able to start dominating Windows if the forces that be allow Windows to run on a mac and OS X on Windows boxes.


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#17 2006-04-11 3:56 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Well considering 10.4 was supposed to be the answer to Vista and Vista has been shedding features like deciduous trees loosing leaves... 10.5 should be a massive update to OS X in general. I sincerely hope Apple waits till the Week after Vista launches before releasing 10.5. Steve would have so much fun up on stage. 'So this is the future last week' [Shows PowerMac running Vista] 'This is the future from today.' [Reboots into 10.5] They have to at least let Vista be shown to the world then just smash everything it stands for.
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#18 2006-04-11 8:35 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

The reason OS X will never go the way of OS/2 is because unlike IBM, Apple actually stands behind the product and is improving it.

OS/2 was like the bastard child of IBM. They made half hearted attempts at pushing it to market and the OS technically stagnated over time.


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#19 2006-04-11 8:48 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Windows XP was a joke. It was just an ultra-bloated version of Windows 2000 (which was a great OS) with an ugly skin.

Vista looks worse. Sure, the stuff they copied from Apple looks nice, but I'm betting it's going to run like OS 10.0.

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#20 2006-04-11 8:51 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

reece_james wrote:

Well considering 10.4 was supposed to be the answer to Vista and Vista has been shedding features like deciduous trees loosing leaves... 10.5 should be a massive update to OS X in general. I sincerely hope Apple waits till the Week after Vista launches before releasing 10.5. Steve would have so much fun up on stage. 'So this is the future last week' [Shows PowerMac running Vista] 'This is the future from today.' [Reboots into 10.5] They have to at least let Vista be shown to the world then just smash everything it stands for.
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After Steve Jobs is done demoing Windows, he will also announce the x86 Generic version of OS X - with the tag line "Now you can have OS X on a $299 Dell!"


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#21 2006-04-11 9:25 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

lol

...and I would personally fly to the States and egg his house...

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#22 2006-04-11 10:26 am

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

The is one reason why it won't go the way of OS/2: 10 million Mac users that smurfing hate Windows.


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#23 2006-04-11 5:26 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

lol The filter doesn't work on the email subscription.

True, as long as people hate Windows there will always be an alternative.


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#24 2006-04-11 6:31 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

reece_james wrote:

lol The filter doesn't work on the email subscription.

True, as long as people hate Windows there will always be an alternative.

The filter is optional. Look in your profile.


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#25 2006-04-11 7:29 pm

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Re: Reason's why OS X won't follow OS/2.

Macskeeball wrote:

The filter is optional. Look in your profile.

I'm looking at 'Smurfing' in the thread and not in the email, strange.

Have there been many murmuring among developers? The only reports I've seen so far are from the game developers.


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