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#1 2006-04-18 6:33 pm

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Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Well, our trusty old "widow blue" 1995 Ford Taurus with over 200,000 miles on it is about to kick the bucket sooner or later.

So, wer'e in the market for a new car, but the choices are rather limited, as I'm 6'5" with very long legs and I have to fit in the rear seat. But the dilemma goes even further: My parents don't want anything that gets less than 25 miles per gallon on the highway, while I just want something very comfortable for 2 hour + trips. I want a GM/Ford/Chrysler domestic vehicle to support our economy, while my parents want one of the Japanese brands for reliability and fuel efficiency reasons. Looks like we've got a lot of work to do. confused

Any suggestions?


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#2 2006-04-18 6:43 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

How about a van or a truck?

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#3 2006-04-18 6:48 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

justine wrote:

How about a van or a truck?

some of the minivans might make the milage cut, but dunno of any truck that will handle a 6+footer in the backseat.
unless you put a lazyboy in the bed lol

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#4 2006-04-18 6:50 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

That's easy.  Toyota Camry.  Built in America... for Americans.  Next topic.

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#5 2006-04-18 7:07 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

"Domestic" and "foreign" no longer has any real meaning in today's world. Almost all of the Hondas in the US are assembled in the US (some of which are exported to Japan). You should approach this with little concern for the supposed domestic nature of the manufacturer's badge--is Daimler-Chrysler an American or German company?-- and just get the best value regardless.


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#6 2006-04-18 8:49 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

G5Addict wrote:

That's easy.  Toyota Camry.  Built in America... for Americans.  Next topic.

While the Camry is the usual car to recommend for all purposes, I'm not sure how comfortable a 6' 5" person would be in the back.


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#7 2006-04-18 9:28 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

A Passat from VW would be perfect.  It gets 30+ MPG on the highway, but doesn't sacrifice a sporty driving style.  It's also pretty large, with plenty of legroom, with a special influence on the passengers that is not there in other cars.

Take it for a test drive, and see what you think of it.  My mom was really impressed, but eventually got a prius for fuel economy.  Otherwise she would have probably gotton a passat.
http://www.vw.com

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#8 2006-04-18 9:45 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Fried Chicken wrote:

A Passat from VW would be perfect.  It gets 30+ MPG on the highway, but doesn't sacrifice a sporty driving style.  It's also pretty large, with plenty of legroom, with a special influence on the passengers that is not there in other cars.

Take it for a test drive, and see what you think of it.  My mom was really impressed, but eventually got a prius for fuel economy.  Otherwise she would have probably gotton a passat.
http://www.vw.com

Of course, I'm german, so there might be a little bias wink

Oh, and look what I found: click.

The Passat might be a little too pricey, but my 2003 Jetta has plenty of room in back, and the new ones are bigger. They're assembled in Mexico - think of it this way: it's a good job so a Mexican can stay in Mexico, instead of having to leave home and find work here (illegally).

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#9 2006-04-18 9:54 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

D'Eyncourt wrote:

"Domestic" and "foreign" no longer has any real meaning in today's world. Almost all of the Hondas in the US are assembled in the US (some of which are exported to Japan). You should approach this with little concern for the supposed domestic nature of the manufacturer's badge--is Daimler-Chrysler an American or German company?-- and just get the best value regardless.

Let's not forget that "domestic" brands assemble as many of their vehicles outside of the US as "import" brands do.  There really is no such thing any longer.  We live in a global economy.

The "domestics," by the way, will cost you the most in terms of total cost of ownership.  As a Mac user, you should be familiar with the concept.


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#10 2006-04-18 9:55 pm

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The 6'5" thing could complicate matters.  Consider the Honda Element.  That thing, ugly as it may be, has a canyon for an interior.


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#11 2006-04-18 10:07 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Camry's are pretty big.  Since back seat room is an issue for you, it will be very important that you sit there and try it out, preferably while your parents have adjusted the front seats to where they'll be.  If the Camry isn't big enough, try the Avalon.

The Honda Accord would be another good option.  I like my Mazda, so I'd also suggest checking out the Mazda6.  Another contender I'd look at is the Hyundai Sonata.

If fuel economy is an issue, the Accord has a hybrid version, as does the 2007 Camry (not sure if it's available for sale yet).

I'm not sure I'd recommend a VW, reliability on them in recent years has been sub-par.

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#12 2006-04-18 10:14 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

hawaiian717 wrote:

Camry's are pretty big.  Since back seat room is an issue for you, it will be very important that you sit there and try it out, preferably while your parents have adjusted the front seats to where they'll be.  If the Camry isn't big enough, try the Avalon.

The Honda Accord would be another good option.  I like my Mazda, so I'd also suggest checking out the Mazda6.  Another contender I'd look at is the Hyundai Sonata.

If fuel economy is an issue, the Accord has a hybrid version, as does the 2007 Camry (not sure if it's available for sale yet).

I'm not sure I'd recommend a VW, reliability on them in recent years has been sub-par.

Honda is discontinuing the hyrbid because it just isn't worth it, and the Camry hybrid is slowly coming in, but it will cost you an extra 3,400 dollars.
And, as for VW's reliability, they are not the most reliable, but they are getting better.  The website I linked too says the Passat is very reliable.

Your best bet is to test drive like 10 different cars, and see what appeals to you most.  If you like the Toyota Camry, get that.  If you like the Accord, it's a really nice car.  If you like the Passat, then get that.
Test driving cars is a lot of fun, and having like 10 dealers give you so much attention is fun too.

Anyway, good luck up


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#13 2006-04-18 11:37 pm

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

I'm 6'4", and a Corolla generally seats me comfortably in the backseat. I believe Camrys are bigger, so that should be plenty big.

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#14 2006-04-19 12:14 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

I am only 6' tall, but I'm fat. When my parents were shopping for a small car, I convinced them to go with a Saturn instead of a Corolla for space-related reasons.

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Really, you just need to go to some showrooms, sit in some cars, and see what you think. With auto malls the way they are these days, it wouldn't take more than an hour or two to hit four or five showrooms.

Also, how tall is your mom? If your parents want to get an econobox, I say let the short person sit in the back. Otherwise, Land Yacht it is.

(actually, speaking of land yachts, iirc the 6 cylinder Impala gets up to 28 mpg on the highway, so maybe that would be a good compromise?)


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#15 2006-04-19 12:16 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

::checks chevy website::

I know EPA number mean essentially nothing, but the base model Impala is rated at 31 MPG highway.


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#16 2006-04-19 2:18 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Fried Chicken wrote:

...Honda is discontinuing the hyrbid because it just isn't worth it...

Who do you think you are, Dvorak?  hmm  Trust me, this is complete nonsense.  Honda ignited the Hybrid revolution, and they're not leaving the game.

And just for frame of reference, I work for Honda.


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#17 2006-04-19 2:20 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Thrica wrote:

I'm 6'4", and a Corolla generally seats me comfortably in the backseat. I believe Camrys are bigger, so that should be plenty big.

You're kidding. I'm 6' 1", and on the previous-generation Corollas, my head hits the ceiling. On the newer ones, it's not much better. It's amazing to me that a car as big as the current Corolla feels so much smaller on the inside than my much smaller Golf.


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#18 2006-04-19 2:24 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

As far as height is concerned, it depends on whether you have long legs, or a long torso.  If it's a long torso that you have, good luck.


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#19 2006-04-19 2:27 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

Fried Chicken wrote:

Test driving cars is a lot of fun, and having like 10 dealers give you so much attention is fun too.

lol

This is, of course, from a person to young to drive. Test driving cars is stressful as hell, and ten salesman going after you like a chicken thrown in the shark tank is a nightmare. When I was car shopping, I got to the point that I was yelling "leave me alone, or I'm out of here!" just to get them away from me. Salesman are there to get you to spend more money than you would otherwise, and TC1, don't deny that.


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#20 2006-04-19 2:29 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

KeilwerthSX90 wrote:

Salesman are there to get you to spend more money than you would otherwise, and TC1, don't deny that.

That's only one of their goals.

They do help people too.


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#21 2006-04-19 2:33 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

As far as height is concerned, it depends on whether you have long legs, or a long torso.  If it's a long torso that you have, good luck.

I'm 6' 1", as I said, with a 30" inseam. I'm all torso, and Japanese cars are simply not designed with a person like me in mind. I don't mind it in a sporty car (you're usually sitting low enough to compensate), but in a midsize (is the Corolla considered a midsize now? Seems too big to be a compact), it's not going to cut it for me. I can quite comfortably "sit behind myself" in my Golf, and I have plenty of headroom front and rear.


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#22 2006-04-19 2:35 am

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KeilwerthSX90 wrote:

Salesman are there to get you to spend more money than you would otherwise, and TC1, don't deny that.

Why would I deny that?  Gross profit is the difference between a paycheck, and a fat paycheck.

The difference is in the methodology and service that you receive from the salesperson.  Some service is worth paying more for, other service is not.

I've had people make comments such as, "I can't believe you got me to buy this car!  You're very good!" I always respond the same way:  "I didn't get you to do anything.  I simply gave you the proper information to make your own informed decision."

Everyone wants to be sold, whether they realize it or not, but most people want to believe that it was their own decision.  The best sales people make their sales by presenting facts and information in such a way that the customer believes that it was their own idea.


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#23 2006-04-19 2:36 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

mo' ron wrote:

KeilwerthSX90 wrote:

Salesman are there to get you to spend more money than you would otherwise, and TC1, don't deny that.

That's only one of their goals.

They do help people too.

To add to that, if the job doesn't pay well, they won't be there to offer their service to you in the future.  If you appreciate their service, and you would like to continue doing business with them in the future, they deserve to be fairly compensated.


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#24 2006-04-19 2:40 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

mo' ron wrote:

KeilwerthSX90 wrote:

Salesman are there to get you to spend more money than you would otherwise, and TC1, don't deny that.

That's only one of their goals.

They do help people too.

Granted, I guess. I'm not the kind of person who needs help from a salesman when looking at a car. I usually know more about the vehicle than the salesman does, if I'm considering it.

But I went from lot to lot, and a salesman would come up and start working me. I'd say I'm looking for a coupe or hatchback, 4-cylinder, manual transmission, for under $6,000. They'd take me to a $10,000-$15,000 sedan, every time.


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#25 2006-04-19 2:48 am

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Re: Need help deciding on a new family car for parents

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

D'Eyncourt wrote:

"Domestic" and "foreign" no longer has any real meaning in today's world. Almost all of the Hondas in the US are assembled in the US (some of which are exported to Japan). You should approach this with little concern for the supposed domestic nature of the manufacturer's badge--is Daimler-Chrysler an American or German company?-- and just get the best value regardless.

Let's not forget that "domestic" brands assemble as many of their vehicles outside of the US as "import" brands do.  There really is no such thing any longer.  We live in a global economy.
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Sure, but I don't know of any particular models now which were like the infamous Ford Festivas (Tempos?) of around 1990 which had most of their parts made in Brazil and which were assembled in Mexico. I think that the domestic manufacturers are making this sort of info a bit more difficult to ferret out.


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