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#1 2006-04-27 12:31 am

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Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Make sure as soon as you get XP installed and running that you install AVG Free-an incredible anti-virus package that easily ranks with commercial anti-virus programs.

No, I don't work for them, but it's saved me on several occasions on my PC, and was the first program I installed after installing Apple's drivers in XP. Get it here:

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#2 2006-04-27 12:41 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Being behind a NAT router if you're not already is also highly recommended (no matter what OS). They inherently provide an excellent firewall. A software firewall on each OS for each computer on your network is recommend in addition to the NAT router, to prevent bad things from spreading inside your network.

If you're surfing while rebooted with BootCamp, use Firefox. If you're using Parallels, just use whatever Mac browser(s) you already use.

There are themes available to make Windows look much more like OS X if you so desire.

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#3 2006-04-27 12:45 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Good advice on the router, Macskee. Any suggestions on a particular model?

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#4 2006-04-27 1:38 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Really, when you get right down to it, no matter what router you buy you get a blinking box of crap. I myself have a Linksys WRT54G, have had no problems, and like it because it has a low cost yet has extremely high flexibility. It's open-source firmware has allowed numerous alternative firmwares to be made, which basically means that you can make the WRT54G do whatever you desire so long as the hardware is powerful enough. You can literally give this $60 router $600+ Cisco level features (including running your own VPN for security while you're on other's open networks).

Others have taken issue with the fact that Linksys doesn't provide tech support for those who mention that they use a Mac. However, there are no actual platform specific issues whatsoever with the router itself, so you don't actually need to mention what OS you use. A Google search on Linksys easily brings up many useful sources of help. If this is really an issue for you, you can obviously just get another brand of non-Apple router (Apple routers are, quite frankly, rip-offs). Odds are that you will never need to call Linksys' tech support in the first place. It just works, and offers very high flexibility for a low cost.

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#5 2006-04-27 8:54 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Macworld had an excellent guide this month about the most secure type of network.  It takes 2 routers, but it creates an internal private network.  It can be used with any routers.


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#6 2006-05-09 8:40 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

2 routers??  do you have a link to that article?

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#7 2006-05-09 8:46 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

That was for allowing public, unsecured wireless access along with having a private, secure network. Not really necessary if you have a router with decent security protocols and don't need to be a public access point. That example was overkill for 90% of home users.

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#8 2006-05-09 8:55 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Ah. A DMZ setup?

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#9 2006-05-09 8:59 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Pretty much a DMZ on the cheap, it had 2 routers inline to the modem. It went:
Modem -> open router -> secure router

Great it you really want to give your neighbors free wireless...

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#10 2006-05-09 9:21 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

The article also mentioned that it was an added level of security for all users.

I agree that it is overkill for most people - just like WPA, IMO.


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#11 2006-05-09 11:26 am

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

WPA is not overkill. All wireless networks, IMHO, should be running WPA along with MAC Address reservation lists. If you have wired computers on the same network as wireless access occurs that network ought to use everything the router can do to protect your wired computers. That, in most home cases, is sufficient for home security.

Really, though, with today's wireless security if someone wants on the network they'll get on. Its really scary what can be done with a laptop and a WAP nowadays...

WPA used to be hot and secure - now its just another 5 minute roadblock for hackers.

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#12 2006-05-09 12:29 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Gipetto wrote:

WPA used to be hot and secure - now its just another 5 minute roadblock for hackers.

WPA has not been cracked. What you are referring to is offline brute force and dictionary attacks. Use a random and long password and you'll be heavily protected. I recommend https://grc.com/pass


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#13 2006-05-09 2:41 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Macskeeball wrote:

Gipetto wrote:

WPA used to be hot and secure - now its just another 5 minute roadblock for hackers.

WPA has not been cracked. What you are referring to is offline brute force and dictionary attacks. Use a random and long password and you'll be heavily protected. I recommend https://grc.com/pass

Wrong. WPA has been cracked. It takes a ton of bandwidth but the same methods of breaking into WEP apply to WPA.

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#14 2006-05-09 2:49 pm

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#15 2006-05-09 2:52 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

I thought that was old news.  WPA2 is still safe, right?  The ZDNet article says it is.


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#16 2006-05-09 2:56 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

It takes a lot of bandwidth to crack WPA. More than the average home user generates, so in general your uncle is probably OK. Business networks are the ones more at risk.

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#17 2006-05-09 3:06 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Every single one of those articles is referring to short and/or dictionary based passwords. Offline brute force attacks- exactly what I was referring to. Long and random WPA passwords such as 66007989485B6E7C791E1060FA906E7AE151A8429A74257484E3A91A2C00608F (not my own, but an example of the sort of passwords randomly generated by https://grc.com/pass) will not be cracked with an offline brute force attack.

All of my networking equipment is capable of WPA2 (or even RADIUS) and I will happily switch when there is a need, but those articles indicate nothing but what I was writing about in my previous post. I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that am insufficiently protected by WPA (with TKIP, even) with a maximum quality password.

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#18 2006-05-09 4:44 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Macskeeball wrote:

Every single one of those articles is referring to short and/or dictionary based passwords. Offline brute force attacks- exactly what I was referring to. Long and random WPA passwords such as 66007989485B6E7C791E1060FA906E7AE151A8429A74257484E3A91A2C00608F (not my own, but an example of the sort of passwords randomly generated by https://grc.com/pass) will not be cracked with an offline brute force attack.

All of my networking equipment is capable of WPA2 (or even RADIUS) and I will happily switch when there is a need, but those articles indicate nothing but what I was writing about in my previous post. I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that am insufficiently protected by WPA (with TKIP, even) with a maximum quality password.

With all due respect Skee, having a password that incredibly long is just plain stupid. I understand that it is not yours, but no human would ever use a password like that. Imagine trying to log in. "Time to bust out the password Billy!" I think WPA2 is the way to go.


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#19 2006-05-09 4:53 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Actually, by being smart you can avoid 99% of all problems some people experience going online.

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#20 2006-05-09 5:33 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:

Every single one of those articles is referring to short and/or dictionary based passwords. Offline brute force attacks- exactly what I was referring to. Long and random WPA passwords such as 66007989485B6E7C791E1060FA906E7AE151A8429A74257484E3A91A2C00608F (not my own, but an example of the sort of passwords randomly generated by https://grc.com/pass) will not be cracked with an offline brute force attack.

All of my networking equipment is capable of WPA2 (or even RADIUS) and I will happily switch when there is a need, but those articles indicate nothing but what I was writing about in my previous post. I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that am insufficiently protected by WPA (with TKIP, even) with a maximum quality password.

With all due respect Skee, having a password that incredibly long is just plain stupid. I understand that it is not yours, but no human would ever use a password like that. Imagine trying to log in. "Time to bust out the password Billy!" I think WPA2 is the way to go.

Not trying to defend anyone, but honestly, if you have physical access to a router, there is no real need to memorize the password for eternity.

A factory reset can always be done, which resets the password to the default.  This cannot be done without physical access.

So unless someone breaks in and resets your router, you are safer with it.

I can't believe I just defended Skee.  I need to go bathe.  wink


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#21 2006-05-09 5:37 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:

Every single one of those articles is referring to short and/or dictionary based passwords. Offline brute force attacks- exactly what I was referring to. Long and random WPA passwords such as 66007989485B6E7C791E1060FA906E7AE151A8429A74257484E3A91A2C00608F (not my own, but an example of the sort of passwords randomly generated by https://grc.com/pass) will not be cracked with an offline brute force attack.

All of my networking equipment is capable of WPA2 (or even RADIUS) and I will happily switch when there is a need, but those articles indicate nothing but what I was writing about in my previous post. I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that am insufficiently protected by WPA (with TKIP, even) with a maximum quality password.

With all due respect Skee, having a password that incredibly long is just plain stupid. I understand that it is not yours, but no human would ever use a password like that. Imagine trying to log in. "Time to bust out the password Billy!"

That's where Keychain comes in. Also, what I meant when I said by it is not mine was that it is not mine exactly but is of the same sort of quality level (same generator, different key, on par complexity).

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#22 2006-05-09 6:12 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

The following is a description of how I personally secured my network.

-NAT router to prevent unsolicited incoming traffic
-UPnP turned off on the router
-Wired where appropriate (desktop) and wireless where appropriate (laptop)
-Wireless is encrypted with WPA-PSK with TKIP (least computationally intensive form of WPA) with an extremely random and 64 character long hex key
-Software firewall on each computer to resist attacks originating from any other computer within the LAN.
-MAC address filtering (easily spoofed)
-SSID hiding (easily sniffed)

While nothing is truly secure (what one mind can create another can destroy) and while "a meteorite could fall out of the sky" (as NAG said in another thread), it's still a good idea to lock the doors to your house. Security is a matter of layers.

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#23 2006-05-09 7:01 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Macskeeball wrote:

Being behind a NAT router if you're not already is also highly recommended (no matter what OS). They inherently provide an excellent firewall. A software firewall on each OS for each computer on your network is recommend in addition to the NAT router, to prevent bad things from spreading inside your network.

Bah - run with every port open, chmod -R 777 / - etc. wink

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It's the best Windows firewall I have ever seen.

Virus checker and spyware checker - sure, they are useful, but a firewall is more important IMHO.

Most important thing to do if you are using a virus / spyware checker is to keep the definitions up to date.

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#24 2006-05-09 7:12 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

The linux based wrt54g routers are indeed very nice and flexible. The difficulty is that the latest revisions (version 5.0 and newer) of the wrt54g no longer run on linux, and are indeed closed source and inflexible.

If you can find a used wrt54g version 1.0 to 4.x the it will run linux. If you want a brand new router look for the wrt54L - which is essentially the same thing as teh version 4.0 wrt54g (meaning it has linux), and is a product that Linksys is still manufacturing and supporting.

I also suggest running something like ZoneAlarm on the pc - it's an whitelist based software firewall for windows that can prevent programs on your PC from making outgoing network connections as well as unwanted incoming connections (think of it like combining the features of LittleSnitch and the built in firewall on mac OS, but for windows). The free version (fully functional in/out firewall) is not that difficult to find on the ZoneLabs website, much easier to find than the free version of AVG mentioned at the start of this thread.

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#25 2006-05-09 7:47 pm

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Re: Boot Campers and Parallels Workstation Users Installing XP:

Since so many people have been misinformed by these articles about WPA supposedly getting cracked, I will clarify the situation.

WEP, which used a very poor implementation of the RC4 cipher and essentially used a one time pad more than once, was subject to online brute force attacks. WPA is not, in fact, subject to online brute force attacks (the network automatically detects such attacks and temporarily shuts down) and when WPA uses the RC4 cipher (WPA with TKIP) it uses a very good implementation of it. WPA uses the key the user sets to create other keys, which are automatically replaced every hour. It was WEP being so bad (and thus having so many mistakes to learn from) that so good. Also, WEP password increase in strength linearally as the length goes up, while the strength of a WPA key increases exponentially.

Because WPA is not subject to online brute force attacks, what these so called "crackers" have done is make use of offline brute force attacks. There are 30MB dictionaries containing common words that are easily and freely available for download. The cracker simply downloads these dictionaries, obtains a small sample of information from the router, and runs an massive automated series of guess and check against that sampled information on his or her own computer. The guess and check may also try to automatically make up possible passwords. The moral of the story? WPA itself has not yet been cracked. Do not use something that is in the dictionary or is short. Use a long and thoroughly random key and you will be absolutely fine. Again, I recommend https://grc.com/pass as well as the Security Now podcast (including the older episodes in chronological order).

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