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#26 2006-05-06 11:11 am

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

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If he was Rush Limbaugh - there would be incredible outrage.
Talk about how the rich white man gets off easy.
Etc.

As opposed to this topic, where there's talk about how the rich white connected man gets off easy?  Not as much outrage, but certainly the later.


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#27 2006-05-06 11:14 am

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

::searches for where Patrick Kennedy rants about how people driving on Ambien should be drawn and quartered::

::finds nothing::

Sorry res, but you fail again.


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#28 2006-05-06 11:16 am

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Tallgeese wrote:

::searches for where Patrick Kennedy rants about how people driving on Ambien should be drawn and quartered::

::finds nothing::

Sorry res, but you fail again.

If you want bonus points, you can search for CP's apologia for Rush's addiction.


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#29 2006-05-06 11:21 am

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

eh, too lazy. got a link?


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#30 2006-05-06 11:28 am

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Here's a good one

Cyberpawz wrote:

I see your point, but again, he got caught for being on a drug to just survive...at least function, because of a botched operation.  Now my question is, who really is to blame for his addiction?

The next real question is if someone is looking for help to get out of an addiction should they be prosecuted... I'd say no...because they are asking for help for something they know is wrong, but want to get better, and possibly make their life better in the long run. If they become clean and then start back again... I would say yes.

Cyberpawz

http://www.macaddict.com/forums/post/612160#p612160


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#31 2006-05-06 1:09 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Shocking!


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#32 2006-05-06 1:10 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

kb5zhh wrote:

Here's a good one

Cyberpawz wrote:

I see your point, but again, he got caught for being on a drug to just survive...at least function, because of a botched operation.  Now my question is, who really is to blame for his addiction?

The next real question is if someone is looking for help to get out of an addiction should they be prosecuted... I'd say no...because they are asking for help for something they know is wrong, but want to get better, and possibly make their life better in the long run. If they become clean and then start back again... I would say yes.

Cyberpawz

http://www.macaddict.com/forums/post/612160#p612160

Different situation completely and you know it.


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#33 2006-05-06 1:11 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

resedit wrote:

If he was Rush Limbaugh - there would be incredible outrage.
Talk about how the rich white man gets off easy.
Etc.

Limbaugh was criticized for being incredibly hypocritical.  Why does this undeniable fact constantly elude you?


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#34 2006-05-06 1:13 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Cyberpawz wrote:

Different situation completely and you know it.

Correct...one involves your arch-nemesis Kennedy, and the other doesn't.

This "explanation" of yours for why the capitol police didn't do anything (and if they actually did "nothing," we wouldn't even know about this)––because people would ask why different police in a different town didn't "do anything" (in fact, you're wrong on that account as well) 30 years ago?

That's ridiculous.


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#35 2006-05-06 1:17 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

bratboy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Different situation completely and you know it.

Correct...one involves your arch-nemesis Kennedy, and the other doesn't.

This "explanation" of yours for why the capitol police didn't do anything (and if they actually did "nothing," we wouldn't even know about this)––because people would ask why different police in a different town didn't "do anything" (in fact, you're wrong on that account as well) 30 years ago?

That's ridiculous.

Actually no, the situations are completely different, and your ignorance or blind biased viewpoints show me that you can't see them.

And my explanation is not bunk, it has been proven time and time again, any one with the last name of Kennedy has always received special treatment. (or is related to the Kennedy Clan, around here)

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#36 2006-05-06 1:19 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Limbaugh is part of the kennedy clan?


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#37 2006-05-06 1:44 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Fried Chicken wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Fried Chicken wrote:

I believe Patrick Kennedy 100%.  Ambien and cough medicine will make you get up and do something for no apparent reason.
I can tell you this from experience, and that's the exact combination of drugs that I have witnessed.  Ambien should be better regulated.
It is a really addictive drug, and the manufacturers know this.  They will send you a 1 week free trial, and after that 1 week you will be hooked.

smurfing Ambien.

Might be a good idea not to drive after taking it then eh?

You don't get it, do you.  Patrick Kennedy said he needed to go to Congress to vote for something.  He wasn't in his conscious self while he did that.
You can't control it.

So if he ended up murdering someone on the highway it would be ok because he wasnt his "conscious self"?

Im sure that would make the family of the victim feel better.


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#38 2006-05-06 3:09 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Cyberpawz wrote:

And my explanation is not bunk, it has been proven time and time again, any one with the last name of Kennedy has always received special treatment. (or is related to the Kennedy Clan, around here)

....so there's an unspoken rule amongst the police and prosecutors of every different jurisdiction throughout the country that states that Kennedy's cannot be charged with crimes?

You're wrong again, of course.


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#39 2006-05-06 3:33 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

bratboy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

And my explanation is not bunk, it has been proven time and time again, any one with the last name of Kennedy has always received special treatment. (or is related to the Kennedy Clan, around here)

....so there's an unspoken rule amongst the police and prosecutors of every different jurisdiction throughout the country that states that Kennedy's cannot be charged with crimes?

You're wrong again, of course.

Per your link...

He is a member of the prominent Kennedy political family and is famous for a well-publicized 1991 rape trial in which he was acquitted..

Last time I checked, being acquitted means to free or clear from a charge or accusation...

Not to mention that it seems the police themselves said that it looked like a sex crime... yet he was able to get off scott free... bet ya if you or I did the same thing we would be in prison still... not to mention that is seriously looks like that some political muscle was thrown around in the background to keep things from going forward.

There are several things that looked like that happened, and yet no one was held accountable... wonder why? Hmm the Kennedy name anyone?

Also looks like William Kennedy Smith is in trouble again, looks like there is a case that has a pending date for him for ohh... guess what... another rape... boy what an idol to look up to.. roll

Oh, and before you respond back, I remember that case... and I watched it... hate to tell ya, there was more than enough evidence to show that he did the crime... I really can't imagine why they didn't accuse him of the crime.

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#40 2006-05-06 3:37 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

So being prosecuted in a trial is part of the police giving special treatment?


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#41 2006-05-06 3:38 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Ribtorus wrote:

Typical Kennedy-eastern-liberal-elite getting out of a serious DUI offense because of family connections...

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Back in 1976  confused

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#42 2006-05-06 3:38 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

kb5zhh wrote:

So being prosecuted in a trial is part of the police giving special treatment?

You didn't even read the info in my link did you?


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#43 2006-05-06 3:40 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Ra wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

Typical Kennedy-eastern-liberal-elite getting out of a serious DUI offense because of family connections...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/ … shdui1.gif

Back in 1976  confused

Which part, the DOB or when it happened? wink


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#44 2006-05-06 4:00 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

kb5zhh wrote:

Limbaugh is part of the kennedy clan?

Actually, Limbaugh had to spend millions to defend himself. If if would have had no money, he would have been toast. The prosecutor even took his medical records, but even so they could not find him guilty. The LCLU wanted to defend him on grounds relating to the right for privacy (medical records), but I believe that he never accepted the offer, since his defender is perhaps one of the most successful lawyers in the US. The prosecutor could not prove that he was "shopping" for doctors to get pain killer, and so he only got a slap on the hand for admitting a dependency on drugs.

Limbaugh's and Mr. Kennedy's cases are completely different, except for maybe in the medical drug use issue.

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#45 2006-05-06 4:07 pm

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And it looks like that this isn't the first time "Pat Kennedy" was in an accident for this type of situation.
tiny link

And now his story has changed again... just on TV there seems to now to be a mystery woman who told him not to drive...boy the story changed quickly.

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#46 2006-05-06 4:17 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Ra wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

Limbaugh is part of the kennedy clan?

Actually, Limbaugh had to spend millions to defend himself. If if would have had no money, he would have been toast. The prosecutor even too his medical records, but even so they could not find him guilty. The LCLU wanted to defend him on grounds relating to the right for privacy (medical records), but I believe that he never accepted the offer, since his defender is perhaps one of the most successful lawyers in the US. The prosecutor could not prove that he was "shopping" for doctors to get pain killer, and so he only got a slap on the hand for admitting a dependency on drugs.

Limbaugh's and Mr. Kennedy's cases are completely different, except for maybe in the medical drug use issue.

You do understand that Rush took a plea deal, and has not been found not guilty right?


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#47 2006-05-06 4:25 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Cyberpawz wrote:

Per your link...

He is a member of the prominent Kennedy political family and is famous for a well-publicized 1991 rape trial in which he was acquitted..

Last time I checked, being acquitted means to free or clear from a charge or accusation...

Not to mention that it seems the police themselves said that it looked like a sex crime... yet he was able to get off scott free... bet ya if you or I did the same thing we would be in prison still... not to mention that is seriously looks like that some political muscle was thrown around in the background to keep things from going forward.

There are several things that looked like that happened, and yet no one was held accountable... wonder why? Hmm the Kennedy name anyone?

Also looks like William Kennedy Smith is in trouble again, looks like there is a case that has a pending date for him for ohh... guess what... another rape... boy what an idol to look up to.. roll

Oh, and before you respond back, I remember that case... and I watched it... hate to tell ya, there was more than enough evidence to show that he did the crime... I really can't imagine why they didn't accuse him of the crime.

Well, first you're trying to say the police do nothing, then claim that the police charged him with rape but that he was acquitted - was that the police again? Are they the ones who acquit suspects now?

How many more holes are you going to poke into your own "logic" (and I use the term under duress)?


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#48 2006-05-06 4:41 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Cyberpawz wrote:

Last time I checked, being acquitted means to free or clear from a charge or accusation...

Hey, you're throwing your weekly tantrum complaining that the police won't do anything to a Kennedy, yet I've demonstrated conclusively that you're dead wrong.

Not to mention that it seems the police themselves said that it looked like a sex crime... yet he was able to get off scott free... bet ya if you or I did the same thing we would be in prison still... not to mention that is seriously looks like that some political muscle was thrown around in the background to keep things from going forward.

You're moving the goal posts.  Police INVESTIGATED crime, prosecutor brought CHARGES, and a JURY acquitted him.   

There are several things that looked like that happened, and yet no one was held accountable... wonder why? Hmm the Kennedy name anyone?

Ask the jury.

Also looks like William Kennedy Smith is in trouble again, looks like there is a case that has a pending date for him for ohh... guess what... another rape... boy what an idol to look up to.. roll

Wait, you mean they investigated an alleged crime?  They're bringing charges?  Well that doesn't fit with your previous claims at all. 

Oh, and before you respond back, I remember that case... and I watched it... hate to tell ya, there was more than enough evidence to show that he did the crime... I really can't imagine why they didn't accuse him of the crime.

You mean didn't "convict" him, and again––that's the jury's doing.  Thanks for your expert analysis of the evidence, though.


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#49 2006-05-06 4:47 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

Ra wrote:

Actually, Limbaugh had to spend millions to defend himself. If if would have had no money, he would have been toast. The prosecutor even too his medical records, but even so they could not find him guilty.

Ummm....prosecutors bring charges and prosecute cases.  They don't determine guilt.

The LCLU wanted to defend him on grounds relating to the right for privacy (medical records), but I believe that he never accepted the offer, since his defender is perhaps one of the most successful lawyers in the US. The prosecutor could not prove that he was "shopping" for doctors to get pain killer, and so he only got a slap on the hand for admitting a dependency on drugs.

The ACLU did file a brief on his behalf (specifically concerning the records).  He was charged with "doctor shopping" (not "admitting a dependency on drugs," whatever that means) and prosecution of the charge was suspended pending his completion of a treatment program and the payment of about $30,000 in fines.

Criminal trials are the exception in this country, not the rule.  Prosecutors nearly always seek plea agreements.  His deal might have been somewhat dependent on the skill of his legal representation, but it would be a mistake to assume that they simply didn't have any evidence against him (he was quite clearly obtaining these drugs illegally) because they cut a deal.


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#50 2006-05-06 6:03 pm

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Re: Patrick Kennedy - "I was not boozing when I crashed"

resedit wrote:

If he was Rush Limbaugh - there would be incredible outrage.

And if he were Rush Limbaugh he would be a giant f'ing hypocrite when it comes to the topic of substance abuse and chemical addiction.


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