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#1 2006-05-05 11:10 pm
- JoeMalone
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Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Our office is looking to get an Intel-based Mini for a guy who needs to do some database work on Windows. I was wondering if there's a significant difference between the Solo and Duo chips--other than processor speed--or if this is just a marketing term.
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#2 2006-05-05 11:39 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
The difference is that the Core Duo has a dual-core architecture, basically it can do almost twice the work per clock cycle. If you compared a Solo and a Duo at the same clock speed, the Duo would be about 60% faster. Definately, the Duo will be a better machine, performance-wise.
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#3 2006-05-06 3:04 am
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Is the DVD picture quality of a Duo better than the Solo? (I don't talk about Quicktime Movies, only when you play a DVD)
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#4 2006-05-06 11:39 am
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Being as when watching a DVD you aren't really doing anything else, I would be surprised if there was a huge difference.
Even the Core Solo supports Core Image.
QuickTime movies - definitely the Duo is better.
Decoding DVDs? Anything 500 MHz G4 or higher can do it in software.
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#5 2006-05-11 12:31 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
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#6 2006-05-11 9:20 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
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#7 2006-05-13 1:50 am
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
This is what I have read in a review at Amazon:
"The Mac mini audio input jack is highly susceptible to picking up 60-cycle hum and other audio noise. Not acceptable."
Can anyone confirm this is true or is this source not reliable?
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#8 2006-05-13 2:34 am
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
The audio output quality on my PPC mini is pretty ropey. There is a constant hum, which turns into a scream when you minimize windows to the dock, or drag them around the screen. I got a Griffin iMic, which produces much cleaner sound.
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#9 2006-05-13 8:25 am
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
I've had no problem with my G4 mac mini sound output, though I bought a imic for recording and which circumvents ciruitry noise if its a problem.
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#10 2006-06-14 9:23 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
I'm obviously confused. I thought that a dual processor (two processors) only made a difference if the application was specifically written to take advantage of dual processors. Apps like Photoshop can make use of the two processors but standard apps like Office or most games can only use one processor at a time so there is no differece in performance for most applications. Now perhaps OS X can schedule two apps to run simultaneously, one on each processor, so that you could really "multitask" some process that takes a long time, but other than that a "Duo" seems like marketing speak for for most apps rather than a true performance boost.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or out of date about this.
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#11 2006-06-15 1:15 am
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
If you run a multi-threaded app or run multiple apps, it will make a difference. Also, now that there's integrated graphics in the Minis, the duo will do much better since the extra core can take care of the portions of the graphics that the integrated card offloads to the processor.
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#12 2006-06-15 8:35 am
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
It really depends on the app. Java that isn't threaded uses both cores as it runs the JIT and other house keeping stuff on one core and executes the code on the other. Quite cute. I suspect rosetta does something similar, so stuff that is non-universal will run substantially faster on the Duo than the Solo.
A lot of stuff is multi threaded, and even stuff that isn't will run ever so slightly faster due to stuff like less context switches between system calls, slightly improved interrupt handling and so on... A lot of other stuff will be threaded, and it will only get more common in the future. I think there is some value the second core.
Windows makes quite a fist of the whole dual core thing, but Mac OS does pretty well. I think the second core is worth it, unless you have only really low end needs.
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#13 2006-06-19 12:59 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Question:
What's the difference between the dual processors of my G4 and the mini? Is the core duo dual processors? How exactly does that work?
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#14 2006-06-19 2:01 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Your computer has 2 processors, with a bus and cache for each. The core duo has essentially to processors, but they are both on the same die. For Intel's dual core processors, IIRC they share the same bus and cache. With the shared cache, that means that switching processes between cores is faster, but otherwise they only get half of the cache each. (I suppose that if only one core is really running, it gets the most cache, though) Theoretically, hough, dual core and dual processor are essentially the same thing, and the only difference is space.
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#15 2006-06-19 5:48 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
I just bought a dual 450 G4 and wondered if the 450's can be replaced with say Sonnet 700s? What's faster-dual 450s or a 900(if they made one)?? Any drawback to having dual processors?
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#16 2006-06-19 6:03 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
There are no drawbacks to dual processors, except for more power consumption and expense. Overall, a 900 MHz processor would be faster, since more things can take advantage of one faster processor than multiple processors. If it were comparing, say, a 900 MHz processor and 2 700 MHz processors, it would be a little more difficult, as it would depend on what you're doing.
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#17 2006-06-19 7:30 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
There are some drawbacks to dual processors but it is extremely complicated. In some situations where the processors require shared data there is an overhead as the program must use locks to ensure computation is safe. Some situations may actually mean it is faster for dual processors (when a program parallels easily) and IO complicates things further.
As akb825 said, more things take advantage of faster processors, so from a pure application view the single chip is faster
Intel included Hyperthreading in one range of Pentium 4 chips (not sure if it is still used now) which actually makes a chip look a bit like two chips. It basically allowed really fast context switches (changing between threads) which is nice as there is normally a bit of an overhead for such.
All up, it is difficult to say, but if I had to have a bet, I would say the single, higher clocked chip would be faster, but not noticeably so for most work
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#18 2006-06-19 8:21 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
The problems of needing to lock threads is there whether you have multiple processors or not. It's more a symptom of threading and multiple things happening concurrently. (it's kind of a pseudo concurrency, but the results are the same, as you never know what point another thread is at, and you can really screw things up such as IO) Of course, if you're talking about choosing between taking advantage of multiple processors with multi-threading or by just having a single-threaded app, then yes, it does come into place. There are other reasons to choose threads, though.
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#19 2006-06-19 11:27 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
tomfoolery wrote:
The audio output quality on my PPC mini is pretty ropey. There is a constant hum, which turns into a scream when you minimize windows to the dock, or drag them around the screen. I got a Griffin iMic, which produces much cleaner sound.
I had this problem after getting a new vid card in my Pee Cee. I just spliced the volume adjuster from an old pair of headphones into the speaker cable, and kicked it down a notch. Problem solved. I got the idea after monitoring the noise at different volume levels and noticed that the noise always remained at roughly the same volume regardless of how loud I set the volume in OS X or in the speakers. I therefore concluded that I could "tune it out" by blocking all sound at or below the level of the noise, thereby making the "insignificant constant" undetectable. Simple fix for an annoying problem. Havn't had this issue on my PPC mini though.
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#20 2006-06-19 11:53 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Would a dual processor machine be ideal for say.... photoshop? What types of apps are dual processors designed for? I'm sorry if it sounds like I want the entire history of DPs but I find this topic VERY interesting.
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#21 2006-06-20 1:08 am
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Gemerally, most processor-intensive tasks are attempted to be made multi-threaded to take advantage of multiple processors. Photoshop is indeed one example, as are programs like FinalCut Pro and some 3D rendering programs. However, there are some tasks that still can't be broken up into multiple threads. One difficult area has been games, though that's starting to change as more effort is being put in.
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#22 2006-06-20 12:58 pm
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Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
Would it be advantageous to keep my G3 400Mhz around to run programs that don't like dual processors?
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#23 2006-06-20 1:57 pm
Re: Intel Core Solo/Duo Difference?
It's not that they don't like dual processors, it's that they don't take advantage of dual processors. If it doesn't take advantage of it, it will run on only one processor (or core of it's dual core) the way you'd expect. The only time I've heard of programs actually breaking on multi processor/core systems have been on a couple of games for Windows. I've never heard of such a thing on a Mac.
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