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#1 2006-05-06 8:45 pm

Sir Jarlsburg
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United 93

http://www.united93movie.com/index.php

I don't think there was a topic about this recently.  I saw it a couple days ago.  It was pretty friggin powerful.  Particularly the last 10 minutes.  Who's seen it?  Thoughts?


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#2 2006-05-06 9:16 pm

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Re: United 93

I dont particularly care to see it. I have doubts as far as how things happened on that flight.


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#3 2006-05-06 9:20 pm

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Re: United 93

I'm not going to see it.  I don't believe in exploiting the events of that day.  what some people won't do for money.  makes me sick.

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#4 2006-05-06 11:02 pm

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Re: United 93

I don't think it's exploitive, but I not going to see it because I don't see the point in re-living a tragedy on a big screen.


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#5 2006-05-07 12:13 am

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Re: United 93

StaticAge wrote:

I dont particularly care to see it. I have doubts as far as how things happened on that flight.

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#6 2006-05-07 12:48 am

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Re: United 93

Donkey Butter wrote:

I'm not going to see it.  I don't believe in exploiting the events of that day.  what some people won't do for money.  makes me sick.

Although they're probably going to make a lot of money, that doesn't mean that it was done for money (it could have been done as a tribute, or historical value).


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#7 2006-05-07 12:57 am

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Re: United 93

I just saw it a few hours ago. Definitely a very intense movie, and I could hear some people crying as the credits rolled.

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#8 2006-05-07 8:47 am

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Re: United 93

it may serve as a tribute or have some historical value but I still comes down to the fact that someone saw a way to make a buck. 

turning the events of that day into "Entertainment" just doesn't sit right with me.

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#9 2006-05-07 10:31 am

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Re: United 93

mo' ron wrote:

Although they're probably going to make a lot of money, that doesn't mean that it was done for money (it could have been done as a tribute, or historical value).

Altruism is not one of Hollywood's strong suits.  I'm voting for for exploitation.

It's too soon in my book, but that's my personal opinion.  I'm not against making movies about traumatic events, hell the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan is some of the best film-making/story telling I've ever seen, and that was one pretty goddamn traumatic event.

Art is often used to elicit an emotional response.  This one seems like shooting fish in a barrel.

I won't go to see it.

You go right ahead.


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#10 2006-05-07 10:37 am

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Re: United 93

Pithecanthropus wrote:

mo' ron wrote:

Although they're probably going to make a lot of money, that doesn't mean that it was done for money (it could have been done as a tribute, or historical value).

Altruism is not one of Hollywood's strong suits.  I'm voting for for exploitation.

It's too soon in my book, but that's my personal opinion.  I'm not against making movies about traumatic events, hell the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan is some of the best film-making/story telling I've ever seen, and that was one pretty goddamn traumatic event.

Art is often used to elicit an emotional response.  This one seems like shooting fish in a barrel.

I won't go to see it.

You go right ahead.

A movie came out about  9/11 and the destruction of the twin towers... back in 2002... I don't remember people saying it was too soon for that movie...

This is a prime example of people not willing or wanting to remember their past...

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#11 2006-05-07 10:46 am

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Re: United 93

Remember what past? What happened on 9/11? What's this "United 93" everyone is talking about?


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#12 2006-05-07 11:02 am

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Re: United 93

Tallgeese wrote:

Remember what past? What happened on 9/11? What's this "United 93" everyone is talking about?

Very poor taste.


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#13 2006-05-07 11:09 am

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Re: United 93

Why, what are you talking about?

Sorry, I have this thing where I'm unable to remember the past.


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#14 2006-05-07 11:18 am

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Re: United 93

Tallgeese wrote:

Why, what are you talking about?

Sorry, I have this thing where I'm unable to remember the past.

Any credibility you had with me is now long gone... thank you for playing and thank you for proving my point, you are a pompous ass who is more willing to take pot shots at people, and make fun of them in general than to actually maintain a topic.

If there was a way to ignore people on this forum, you'd be the first on a very short list of one.


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#15 2006-05-07 11:25 am

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Re: United 93

lol


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#16 2006-05-07 11:53 am

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Re: United 93

Cyberpawz wrote:

A movie came out about  9/11 and the destruction of the twin towers... back in 2002... I don't remember people saying it was too soon for that movie...

OK, who here's surprised that pawz can't see the difference in these 2 movies?


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#17 2006-05-07 12:40 pm

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Re: United 93

Donkey Butter wrote:

I'm not going to see it.  I don't believe in exploiting the events of that day.  what some people won't do for money.  makes me sick.

That's an interesting point of view.
How do you determine what is worth exploiting, and what is not?
What do you consider to be exploitation?
What is the difference between an exploitive look at a piece of history, and a non exploitive look at a piece of history?

If a genuine screen writer wants to record the events to the best of his ability, is it exploitive just because he wants to be paid for his time and investment, or is there a cap on how much he should be allowed to make?

Supposing he wants to do it for all the right reasons, but he can't do it without funding.
Suppose someone wants to fund it strictly to make a profit and for no other reason - is that exploitation?

I have not seen the film.

But I am curious as to what is causing some people to consider it exploitation. You aren't the first I have heard doing this.

Are all films about real past tragedys exploitive, or just some?
If just some, what is the distinction?


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#18 2006-05-07 12:41 pm

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Re: United 93

Cyberpawz wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Why, what are you talking about?

Sorry, I have this thing where I'm unable to remember the past.

Any credibility you had with me is now long gone...

because everyone has to see the things the same way you do, and react the way you personally would want them to?


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#19 2006-05-07 4:14 pm

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Re: United 93

ill watch it in the same context as any other propaganda film.


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#20 2006-05-07 4:48 pm

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Re: United 93

resedit -

the short answer is yes.  though I would say that there are degree's.

there is no hard and fast rules, there is no formula to it.  I am only basing my opinion of the overall feel I get from the promotion of the movie.  surely because I feel it to be exploitive does not mean that someone else would. 

I hope that helps clear up my position on this.  though you should feel free to come up with your own opinion.

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#21 2006-05-07 5:05 pm

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Re: United 93

LittleMacKid wrote:

I don't think it's exploitive, but I not going to see it because I don't see the point in re-living a tragedy on a big screen.

The made for TV bird flu movie is going to be on really soon. Is it tonight or maybe Monday? I know its coming in the next few days or so.

Nothing like making money off of tragedy and fear mongering. roll Capitalism at its finest! roll


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#22 2006-05-07 5:21 pm

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Re: United 93

FWIW: 10% First weekend's boxoffice goes to some 'worthy' 9/11 charity.
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I myself am a non-believer in 9/11 non-conspiracy theories. This movie would not make my list to see. As said here already, propoganda.
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Wasn't wreckage strewn over a 20 mi. radius? That, and other things like that make theories alleging USAF brought it down by force on orders from VP legitimate.
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People familiar with Dealey Plaza tend to say, "We'll never know." That most likely will end up the epitaph to this whole sordid scenario that's an atrocity within a nightmare.


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#23 2006-05-07 5:45 pm

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Re: United 93

I would not be surprised if it was brought down by USAF - though if that was the case, then as horrible as it sounds, we should have been told.

I don't think it was brought down by USAF though.

But if it was - I can understand why it was.


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#24 2006-05-07 7:00 pm

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Re: United 93

resedit wrote:

I would not be surprised if it was brought down by USAF - I don't think it was brought down by USAF though.

But if it was - I can understand why it was; though if that was the case, then as horrible as it sounds, we should have been told.

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#25 2006-05-07 7:18 pm

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Re: United 93

And if it had been shot down, somebody would have leaked that info by now.


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