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#76 2006-05-09 8:50 am
- blank kludge
- 20 Minutes Into teh Future
- From: Hal9k --> Font/DA Mover
- Registered: 2006-02-21
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Re: United 93
I am actually open minded. With a high dose of skepticism. EVERYTHING GWB does wrt 'War On Terror' depends on those four planes. If my country as I know it is being killed by 42-page memos from the AG that says the Fourth Amendment is no longer 'operative', if we've sent an Army into the desert because Saddam BOTH had WMD and was in on terrorist planning for 911, if we establish a POW camp on the Cuban island that throws out the Geneva Conventions as 'quaint' and allows torture, if we're kidnapping and torturing other alleged terrorists throughout E.U., if FISA is dead and NSA routinely spies on US citiziens --
I WANT TO BE DAMNED SURE EXACTLY WHY!
If there's evidence to suggest alternatives to the 'officially' promulgated story, then that should be raised and critically, openly examined. Not 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.' Which is what it looks to me like exactly the situation we're working with here.
So, an open mind about what? To me the question is open for debate. But I think the prevailing propoganda is 'that's been laid to rest. Look at this Commission/investigation....' Like I said, the farces of forensics following 911 make the Warren Commission look like gospel.
I have an open mind, the problem is the question is closed.
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EDIT: And just as the Warren Commission had to have ONLY 3 shots to work, the 911 investigations HAVE to have bad intel prior, except Aug NIE had an explict warning. Ignoring such intel...poor judgement or something else? The last five years depend on the 'truth' of exactly what happened to the four planes and why. I do not think what has been presented as 'truth' or 'fact' on that issue passes my own personal muster. Later events across the spectrum of this admin tend to lend credence to such a skeptical assessment.
And until such time as I can reach other conclusions, I will continue to give this admin what it so richly deserves:
Large helpings of scorn and derision.
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2.3 - What are "Blanks"?
Blanks are people who have either fallen off the information nets, or taken themselves off deliberately. Usually known and addressed by their first names with "Blank" as a title - Blank Reg, Blank Bruno, and Blank Dom(inique) are three we get to know well.
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#77 2006-05-09 9:15 am
- jerwin
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Re: United 93
Plus, it showed the scene of the wreckage as it looked then, a while later, and now.
Greenglass's film isn't about reflecting back. It's about September 11, with all the attendant chaos. The protagonists didn't have the benefit of hindsight, so why should the audience?
And, at the end they listed ALL of the victims.
Oh boy. They can speed it up and cant it, while they promote the next show.
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
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#78 2006-05-09 10:33 am
- blank kludge
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Re: United 93
Listing ALL the vicitms would include every US citizen, alot of Afghannis and the Iraqi people.
2.3 - What are "Blanks"?
Blanks are people who have either fallen off the information nets, or taken themselves off deliberately. Usually known and addressed by their first names with "Blank" as a title - Blank Reg, Blank Bruno, and Blank Dom(inique) are three we get to know well.
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#79 2006-05-09 11:16 am
- Tallgeese
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Re: United 93
I didn't know there were a lot of Iraqis and Afghans on the plane.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#80 2006-05-09 11:33 am
- Laura
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Re: United 93
blank kludge wrote:
Listing ALL the vicitms would include every US citizen, alot of Afghannis and the Iraqi people.
Sorry, I didn't think that I needed to spell it out...I meant all the victims from Flight 93.
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#81 2006-05-09 11:37 am
- iBubba
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Re: United 93
Steyr AUG wrote:
blank kludge wrote:
Except accurate assessments from this administration. I don't need to know the usual suspects of 'who, what, when, where, how or why.' All I need is an 'official' statement. Then, that points my compass in the other direction.
Works more often than not.So I suppose being open minded is a bit out of the question then eh?
With this administration? Are you smurfing kidding me?
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#82 2006-05-09 11:59 am
- jerwin
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Re: United 93
Sigh. It's not enough that it be art. I t must also speak to our current mourning fads.. And we have a committee to help you do that, Mr. Artist!
Curse you, Maya Lin.
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
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#83 2006-05-09 12:07 pm
- blank kludge
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Re: United 93
S.p.e.l.l. i.n.g.<space> i.t.<space>o.u.t. ---
The intent of my ALL the vics statement is that the direct victims of those flights are being used as excuses to victimize a whole bunch of others, post facto. Starting with the remaining population of the US, and moving out to the 'war on terror' around the globe.
2.3 - What are "Blanks"?
Blanks are people who have either fallen off the information nets, or taken themselves off deliberately. Usually known and addressed by their first names with "Blank" as a title - Blank Reg, Blank Bruno, and Blank Dom(inique) are three we get to know well.
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#85 2006-05-09 9:15 pm
- radarman
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Re: United 93
Oath wrote:
Chickenhawk wrote:
Oath wrote:
For the most part I am with Res here I think it is very likely that the USAF did bring it down. On some level it was a
very logical thing to do but as a Goverment how do you fess up to that? Answer: You dont even try.umm, res said he didn't think it was shot down by the usaf. He just said he wouldn't be suprised if it was. Big difference.
Sorry if I wasent clear I the mostily was to imply I agree with premise I did notice he didnt think it happened like that.
I don't get the big deal over flight 93.
I still believe that the passengers, upon realizing what their fate would be, decided to take matters into their own hands. There are first-hand accounts from the ground, telephone conversations with the passengers, and radar data that all indicate that the passengers attempted to take control of the plane, and the plane crashed as a result.
However, if the USAF *did* shoot it down, I wouldn't have a problem with that. By that time, they knew the consequences if that plane made it to DC - and would have had to choose between taking out a few hundred passengers and several terrorists, or letting the plane crash into a building killing the same passengers and terrorists, as well as hundreds or thousands on the ground.
Bottom line - it was a tragedy, and the people on that plane were heros. The final cause of the crash is largely irrelevant to me.
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#86 2006-05-09 11:43 pm
- iBubba
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Re: United 93
TEH DRAMA!
Let it smurfing go, people.
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