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#51 2006-05-22 10:01 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

bedstuy wrote:

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bedstuy wrote:

Just because Democrats don't wear morality on their shirt sleeves is not indicative that they espouse the opposite.  What kind of logic is that?  One would hope they don't run on these issues because they realize how open it makes one to charges of hypocrisy.  For some odd reason the Moral Majority never has seemed to grasp this concept, but considering the simplistic reasoning involved in the above posting it's not hard to wonder why.

You don't think Dems run on a moral policy?

They do to some extent but generally not with a cross in one hand and brimstone in the other.

Ahh, morality is ok as long as religion isn't mentioned.


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#52 2006-05-22 10:03 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

bedstuy wrote:

Just because Democrats don't wear morality on their shirt sleeves is not indicative that they espouse the opposite.  What kind of logic is that?  One would hope they don't run on these issues because they realize how open it makes one to charges of hypocrisy.  For some odd reason the Moral Majority never has seemed to grasp this concept, but considering the simplistic reasoning involved in the above posting it's not hard to wonder why.

They are all the same. I remember Bill Clinton on the national news walking with an oversize bible under his arm going to church on Sunday. The red bible had a huge cross one could clearly see from afar. I also remember Hillary Clinton preaching to the religious community not too long ago. Politicians may step in Congress full of good intentions, but a few years later they are just cutting deals like everyone else. We only hear about those who get caught, that's all.


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#53 2006-05-22 10:03 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Just because Democrats don't wear morality on their shirt sleeves is not indicative that they espouse the opposite.  What kind of logic is that?  One would hope they don't run on these issues because they realize how open it makes one to charges of hypocrisy.  For some odd reason the Moral Majority never has seemed to grasp this concept, but considering the simplistic reasoning involved in the above posting it's not hard to wonder why.

You don't think Dems run on a moral policy?

Not some much on a policy of morality.  Certainly they advocate for policies that they believe to be moral, but that's not what we are talking about here.


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#54 2006-05-22 10:05 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

damn mexicans

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#55 2006-05-22 10:06 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

kb5zhh wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Just because Democrats don't wear morality on their shirt sleeves is not indicative that they espouse the opposite.  What kind of logic is that?  One would hope they don't run on these issues because they realize how open it makes one to charges of hypocrisy.  For some odd reason the Moral Majority never has seemed to grasp this concept, but considering the simplistic reasoning involved in the above posting it's not hard to wonder why.

You don't think Dems run on a moral policy?

Not some much on a policy of morality.  Certainly they advocate for policies that they believe to be moral, but that's not what we are talking about here.

That's a razor thin difference.


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#56 2006-05-22 10:16 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Farmerkev wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:


You don't think Dems run on a moral policy?

Not some much on a policy of morality.  Certainly they advocate for policies that they believe to be moral, but that's not what we are talking about here.

That's a razor thin difference.

I'm sure you want to see it that way.


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#57 2006-05-22 10:18 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

kb5zhh wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:


Not some much on a policy of morality.  Certainly they advocate for policies that they believe to be moral, but that's not what we are talking about here.

That's a razor thin difference.

I'm sure you want to see it that way.

Not want, I do see it as two sides of the same coin.


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#58 2006-05-22 10:54 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

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Not want, I do see it as two sides of the same coin.

Me too.


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#59 2006-05-22 11:04 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Everybody does it!

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#60 2006-05-22 11:38 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

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Though frankly one wonders whether they're going to try claiming the moral high ground in the next elex.

That shouldn't be hard, seeing as the "high ground" now starts at the elevation of a flea's ankles.


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#61 2006-05-23 1:07 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Hank Rearden wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Though frankly one wonders whether they're going to try claiming the moral high ground in the next elex.

That shouldn't be hard, seeing as the "high ground" now starts at the elevation of a flea's ankles.

True dat. Although there's plenty of political hot air that, to my astonishment, people continue to buy.


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#62 2006-05-23 4:38 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Some leaders of both Republican and Democratic parties in the Congress question the legality of the search of Congressman Jefferson's congressional office. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/23/jefferson/

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#63 2006-05-23 4:44 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Nefarious Bidding wrote:

Some leaders of both Republican and Democratic parties in the Congress question the legality of the search of Congressman Jefferson's congressional office. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/23/jefferson/

sneaky

Heh, smurf are nervous aren't they.
Odds that several of them are scrambling to find new hiding places?


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#64 2006-05-23 5:54 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

OR they might feel the search was illegal.


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#65 2006-05-23 6:03 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

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OR they might feel the search was illegal.

Nah, read the article. Crap about separation of powers and precedent. Blowing smoke.


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#66 2006-05-23 6:03 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

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OR they might feel the search was illegal.

That never happens.


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#67 2006-05-23 6:27 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

I know. But it was just a thought. A passing thought. It's passed now.


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#68 2006-05-23 6:48 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Brings me back to the Abscam days.

Big hair, bad music, good times.


I think it was seven elected representatives convicted; six Democrats and one Republican.


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#69 2006-05-23 7:06 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

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Brings me back to the Abscam days.

Big hair, bad music, good times.


I think it was seven elected representatives convicted; six Democrats and one Republican.

Or the Keating 5.


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#70 2006-05-23 10:13 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

Brings me back to the Abscam days.

Big hair, bad music, good times.


I think it was seven elected representatives convicted; six Democrats and one Republican.

Or the Keating 5.

big_smile  So many scandals that it's hard to keep track of them, sometimes.


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#71 2006-05-24 10:02 am

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Re: Another scandal?

Yeah, and if you don't get a catchy nickname in the press, you don't get any real air/media time.


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#72 2006-05-24 10:28 am

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Re: Another scandal?

btw... it seems rather odd and notable that the FBI didn't similarly raid Randy "Duke" Cunningham's office seeing as how he was fiddling with defense contracts.  Seems as though one would have been able to find a lot of incriminating evidence in his congressional office. 

Maybe this is a new developing trend and they'll soon raid Roy Blunt, Bob Ney and Jerry Lewis.

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#73 2006-05-24 7:03 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Seems Speaker Pelosi has asked Jefferson to quit key Ways & Means committee.  I wouldn't be surprised if this a signal for him to resign.

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#74 2006-05-24 9:13 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

bedstuy wrote:

Seems Speaker Pelosi has asked Jefferson to quit key Ways & Means committee.  I wouldn't be surprised if this a signal for him to resign.

The jerk got caught reaching for a briefcase full of money? Crap, I didn't think politicians were still that blatantly stupid these days. It's just not that hard to take a bribe without being so smurfin' obvious. Look at Hillary Clinton and her "commodities trading" experience.  (all winning trades before exiting the market? Nah, that wasn't a payoff...)

Signal or no - he should resign, immediately. He needs to go back to school and freshen up on "Bribes, Kickbacks, and Gratuities 101" and run again when he gets out of jail.

However, he's a democrat, so he'll probably try keep his seat, and beat the rap on this one. Only republicans resign first, then try to beat the rap.

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#75 2006-05-24 10:45 pm

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Re: Another scandal?

Pelosi isn't speaker.


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