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#26 2006-05-28 1:14 pm

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Re: X3

That doesn't make any sense. Well, it does. Kinda. I can't explain it without spoilers. Aghhh!


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#27 2006-05-28 1:40 pm

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Re: X3

I PMed you some more info, hopefully that will clear it up.


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#28 2006-05-28 3:16 pm

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Re: X3

I've seen it 4 times already. I don't think it was that bad - I do read the comics and am probably the most geeky-est female you'd ever meet about anything X-universe.  I was actually quizzing the wannabes in the rows in front of me before the midnight show, and they were calling me old school.
All movies should add a disclaimer that any similiarities between this and the years of comic books you've been reading over the past 35 years are purely unintentional. Still, I can understand the movie and ending. (BTW, this is THE last one under the X-title officially, they're still hinting about a separate Wolvie flick www.superherohype.com) And with the mention that the Cure "<i>suppresses</i> the mutant gene, permanently" it leaves you to wonder if they did want to set up another.
I liked how they twisted the Phoenix power to turn everything to ashes, rather than returning from them. Kitty, Colussus, Iceman, & Juggy were all good.  The flying looked 100% hokey, that should have been better.  Beast was believeable enough, looked at little stiff at times.
And they definitely needed to fix that continuity error, they must of left something out on the editing floor, what a screw up that was.  This movie definitely had some easter eggs in it.
I had to tell my husband that what Xavier did to Jean is what [in the comics] he did to himself to cage Onslaught, so it was credible to me.
7 out of 10 for me.


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#29 2006-05-28 3:32 pm

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I went to see it on Friday and i found it to be the weakest of the three movies.  All the characters were so out of character.  And I don't mean just relative to the comics, relative to the other movies as well.  Xavier being a snappy bitch to Wolverine "I don't have to explain myself to you" would never happen.  Even when facing Magneto in life and death situations he keeps his calm and respect.  Magneto was transformed from a respectable villian to cheesy evil doer.  Also <spoiler> he would have never left mystique </spoiler>.

Also, it felt like X-Men 1 all over again.  The director was more concerned with showing off powers than developing any sort of story:

Wolverine: Man I wish it wasn't so foggy.
Storm: I can take care of that!

That smurf would have flied in X-Men 1, but by now we all understand that storm can make things not foggy, we don't need a scene dedicated to it.

It was also cheesy and ridiculous as hell at some points.

<spoiler>
Beast: Should we close down the school and send all the 12 year olds to live on the streets???? Sounds good to me!!
Storm: No we can't!
</spoiler>

In what universe would Beast ever suggest that. (Not the Marvel Universe wink )

Other cheesy moments: giving mutants "classes". He's a class 5 mutant!  This is the kind of smurf that made comic movies awful in the past.  You can't take a movie seriously when people are going around saying "class 3 mutant".  It doesn't even make sense.

<spoiler>

Also, we spent the first 2 movies saying Jean *could* be more powerful.  She needs to believe in herself and try to use these powers!  And now all of a sudden it's "just kidding, Jean has always been SUPER POWERFUL we can't let her EVER use these powers!"

wtf.  The comic Phoenix would have been weird too, but please come up with something better than a 2 line explanation.
</spoiler>

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#30 2006-05-28 3:44 pm

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Re: X3

//SPOILER//

Maybe leaving mystique was part of the plan. I mean, she gave them bad intel and magneto at least knew enough to try to use his powers again after the cure.

//END SPOILER///


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#31 2006-05-28 4:54 pm

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possibly, i feel that would have been highlighted later tho

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#32 2006-05-28 8:59 pm

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MayemSnyph wrote:

And they definitely needed to fix that continuity error, they must of left something out on the editing floor, what a screw up that was.

Explain what you mean.

And akb I PMed you something.


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#33 2006-05-28 9:25 pm

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Re: X3

I'll probably see it tonight, although I'm going to expect it to be a turd. At the very least I'll leave with my expectations filled shrug


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#34 2006-05-28 9:37 pm

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O, I get the continuity error now. The day to night in two seconds thing. Yeah, that was kind of disappointing.


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#35 2006-05-28 11:25 pm

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Of course there was the day to night continuity error! Twice, actually! The big dramatic battle always occurs where the light show would be best, hence, the night. Also, Magneto's flinging cars all over the Golden Gate bridge, and that family just happens to still be there? OF COURSE!

And you know what? So what. It didn't ruin the movie or anything. We're not talking about a mystery movie where those little details add up to something. Who cares if they change it from day to night instantly? Big whoop.

And I said it before, and I'll say it again: this Phoenix is more like Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled" than Jean Grey in "Dark Phoenix." But I prefered the former to the latter, anyway, so I'm more satisfied.


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#36 2006-05-28 11:47 pm

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Yeah, I don't really care all that much. It was an okay comic movie (better than Fantastic 4).


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#37 2006-05-29 12:37 am

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Re: X3

sharkeyca wrote:

Okay, after the credits, Magneto turns the entire city of New York into a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. (Chunky peanut butter, which is a HUGE continuity flaw from issue #124)

So the thing that happened to him managed to make him even more powerful, eh? tongue

Wasn't bad, but it definitely wasn't as good as the first two.


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#38 2006-05-29 12:40 am

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I just hope they find a way to bring Mystique back. She's hot.


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#39 2006-05-29 4:21 am

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Jack Sparrow wrote:

And akb I PMed you something.

Received and replied.


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#40 2006-05-29 5:54 am

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All in all, the movie was alright. It's a cheesy action movie, and if that's what you're looking for, that's what you'll get. shrug

If you ask me they killed off / crippled way to many important characters. Now when the inevitable sequels comes out ("the last stand" my ass roll) they're going to waist piles of time explaining why Magneto, Mystique, and Rogue have their powers back, why Jean can come back to life, why Scott never really died because you never really -saw- him die, and why Professor X beamed himself into some dude in the hospital. It's kind of hard to give a smurf about the peril of characters when you know they're going to bounce back good as new.

Either that, or they'll use this as an opportunity to recast tons of rolls. Something tells me by X-Men 4: X-Men Save Christmas, quite a few members of the cast will take the opportunity to stay dead or remain crippled and out of the picture. 4th sequels are rarely gems. 


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#41 2006-05-29 9:54 am

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Magneto is stronger than the Pheonix. Yes, I understand that she can rip people to shreads, and that she can lift big objects. So what! Magneto can lift the stinking San Francisco bridge!

Here is what I am saying. I understand that it is a movie about mutants, and I shoudln't be so concerned about all this science crap, but that's kinda what the movie is about.

Ok, I did some research. The San Francisco bridge weighs 887,000 tons. Add the almost 200 cars that were one there and you've got a total weight of 887,400 tons. Ok, that feat alone is so incredible, I get confused. Who cares about some kid called leech. Don't worry about the advatange he will give you. Just rip up a building and throw it at Alacatraz. BAM! Everything is dead. So what is Jean can lift some water and rip some people apart. She was killed by someone who Magneto would have ripped to shreads.

Here is my other nitpick. Magneto could have stop the cure needles. All plastic guns are possible, but having plastic needles just don't work. And we know his powers are sensitive. In X2 he kills a man by ripping the iron out of his body. Yeah, really confused by that.

Ok, I'm done flaming.


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#42 2006-05-29 12:31 pm

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You could do the same thing to almost any sci-fi type movie.


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#43 2006-05-29 1:37 pm

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Re: X3

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Magneto is stronger than the Pheonix. Yes, I understand that she can rip people to shreads, and that she can lift big objects. So what! Magneto can lift the stinking San Francisco bridge!

Here is what I am saying. I understand that it is a movie about mutants, and I shoudln't be so concerned about all this science crap, but that's kinda what the movie is about.

Ok, I did some research. The San Francisco bridge weighs 887,000 tons. Add the almost 200 cars that were one there and you've got a total weight of 887,400 tons. Ok, that feat alone is so incredible, I get confused. Who cares about some kid called leech. Don't worry about the advatange he will give you. Just rip up a building and throw it at Alacatraz. BAM! Everything is dead. So what is Jean can lift some water and rip some people apart. She was killed by someone who Magneto would have ripped to shreads.

Here is my other nitpick. Magneto could have stop the cure needles. All plastic guns are possible, but having plastic needles just don't work. And we know his powers are sensitive. In X2 he kills a man by ripping the iron out of his body. Yeah, really confused by that.

Ok, I'm done flaming.

More science vs. the movies:
Magneto, being able to control magnetism, could thus also control electricity (all he needs to do is create a changing magnetic flux).  Thus, why does he not simply electricute everyone.  Or turn off the power in alcatraz.

Also, a strong enough magnetic field will eventually move *anything*.  Thus, why not move all smurf around?

A more legitimate gripe (and spoiler):

<spoiler>why the smurf wasn't magneto wearing ANY sort of armor?</spoiler>

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#44 2006-05-29 1:44 pm

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I'm glad they killed Cyclops. He was a weenie.


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#45 2006-05-29 5:21 pm

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But did he truly die? sneaky


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#46 2006-05-29 5:38 pm

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God I hope so. He was such an annoying character.

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#47 2006-05-29 6:20 pm

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I still can't get over this one thing.
Where the hell was GAMBIT!?


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#48 2006-05-30 12:29 am

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Jack Sparrow wrote:

Here is my other nitpick. Magneto could have stop the cure needles. All plastic guns are possible, but having plastic needles just don't work.

Why not?

And we know his powers are sensitive. In X2 he kills a man by ripping the iron out of his body. Yeah, really confused by that.

In X2, the guy is injected with extra metal stuff, and that's what Magneto is able to rip out of his body.

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#49 2006-05-30 12:43 am

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I've been worried about this film ever since Bryan Singer's withdrawal.  The trailers haven't helped.


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#50 2006-05-30 6:05 am

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Man, you guys need to relax more when going out to see a movie.

It wasn't mindbogglingly spectacular, but it was X-Men, and it did have action.

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