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According to those animations, the Antarticans pollute! I guess the penguins are using generators or something. Or, there's more factors effecting local CO2 levels than 'pawz realizes.

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This thread sucks.

kb5zhh wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

According to those animations, the Antarticans pollute! I guess the penguins are using generators or something. Or, there's more factors effecting local CO2 levels than 'pawz realizes.

I thought they were carbon monoxide animations?

Oh, uh, same thing. No, really. When there's combustion, there's CO2 and CO. That's the relationship 'pawz is trying to build upon, but CO production is very atmosphere dependent. Why do you think your hot water heater or furnace in your basement can kill you with it? Its because there's not enough O2 coming in. That, and CO isn't the worst pollutant out there by far.

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

India, and China/Japan are some of the worst, as well as some extent Africa, and Central America...

Is there any reason to group China and Japan together?

Africa is a major polluter?  Must be their well known heavy industries throughout the continent, and their robust economies.

And, of course, Central America....boy, do those guys pollute!

Actually Africa in the areas that are bilging out pollution is very heavily industrialized, same with Central America... of course that doesn't count the fires, the razing of the forests, etc... naw never could count that now could you?

Proost wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Proost wrote:

Well '''how much you consume'' also matters otherwise wy import that much?
Indirect we are guilty from bad pollution somewhere else.

We can't be responsible for other countries as someone here already graciously pointed out.

You import because usa or Europian companies for example moved to China to make the products cheaper where there are less tough rules for the environment so they can produce cheaper, also because people work for less money of course. Maybe the country isn't the the only guilty 1 but we buy those products so indirect we are also the reason why there is pollution somewhere else.

Like Apple Huh?

Actually the only reason we are over there is because of the laxed laws they have upon pollution, and also industries as a whole. That is why it is cheaper to produce... That being said, how much of China is actually industrialized, what percentage of people are actually not growing rice in fields, etc?

The United States probably has a higher percentage of industrialized country than China does, but at the same time China probably has more people working in their industrialized area... So before people start saying that China produces less pollution than the US, I'd look at how much of their actual land is utilized for producing that pollution compared to the US... and see what the comparisons really would be...

Course that wouldn't happen... the potential of too many arguments would be blown wide open because of some findings I'm sure.

Chickenhawk wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

According to those animations, the Antarticans pollute! I guess the penguins are using generators or something. Or, there's more factors effecting local CO2 levels than 'pawz realizes.

I thought they were carbon monoxide animations?

Oh, uh, same thing. No, really. When there's combustion, there's CO2 and CO. That's the relationship 'pawz is trying to build upon, but CO production is very atmosphere dependent. Why do you think your hot water heater or furnace in your basement can kill you with it? Its because there's not enough O2 coming in. That, and CO isn't the worst pollutant out there by far.

But that would indicate to me that this is at best a measure of engines running badly, and thus not necessarily linked directly to co2 production.

kb5zhh wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

I thought they were carbon monoxide animations?

Oh, uh, same thing. No, really. When there's combustion, there's CO2 and CO. That's the relationship 'pawz is trying to build upon, but CO production is very atmosphere dependent. Why do you think your hot water heater or furnace in your basement can kill you with it? Its because there's not enough O2 coming in. That, and CO isn't the worst pollutant out there by far.

But that would indicate to me that this is at best a measure of engines running badly, and thus not necessarily linked directly to co2 production.

o rly?

Yeah, the US is more likely to lag in CO production because it is a byproduct of inefficiency, which industry tries to avoid.

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

India, and China/Japan are some of the worst, as well as some extent Africa, and Central America...

Is there any reason to group China and Japan together?

Africa is a major polluter?  Must be their well known heavy industries throughout the continent, and their robust economies.

And, of course, Central America....boy, do those guys pollute!

Actually Africa in the areas that are bilging out pollution is very heavily industrialized, same with Central America... of course that doesn't count the fires, the razing of the forests, etc... naw never could count that now could you?

Proost wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

We can't be responsible for other countries as someone here already graciously pointed out.

You import because usa or Europian companies for example moved to China to make the products cheaper where there are less tough rules for the environment so they can produce cheaper, also because people work for less money of course. Maybe the country isn't the the only guilty 1 but we buy those products so indirect we are also the reason why there is pollution somewhere else.

Like Apple Huh?

Actually the only reason we are over there is because of the laxed laws they have upon pollution, and also industries as a whole. That is why it is cheaper to produce... That being said, how much of China is actually industrialized, what percentage of people are actually not growing rice in fields, etc?

The United States probably has a higher percentage of industrialized country than China does, but at the same time China probably has more people working in their industrialized area... So before people start saying that China produces less pollution than the US, I'd look at how much of their actual land is utilized for producing that pollution compared to the US... and see what the comparisons really would be...

Course that wouldn't happen... the potential of too many arguments would be blown wide open because of some findings I'm sure.

I said that the USA and European companies moved there because of the laxed laws upon pollution didn't I? Apple as well yes, an USA company, otherwise they can't compete.
So when they move and don't pollute in the USA but move more somewhere else it's ok or better while we keep on buying the same products?
Western countries&the people are as much as responsible for pollution even when it happens somewhere else.

Many woman’s from eastern Europe are used in the sex industry in west Europe for the same reasons and we pay those eastern Europe woman’s. They often get kidnapped or brought here with the wrong intentions so yes west europe is the guilty one for exploiting eastern europe womans in the sex industry in west europe since there is a market so it just happens when there is a need there is a cause.
On the same time you see many crimes happening from people coming from east europe like braking in in houses and/or stealing cars aswell which makes us both guilty perhaps.

I can remove all my dirt from my garden and say to my neighbour please take this dirt of mine for $50 and he says, sure! I can use this money! and if I didn't it and used a clean method it costed me $80 but neverteless the dirt came from me. And he just dumps this dirt in nature somewhere else which cost nothing but neverteless I'm as guilty as him.

Last edited by Proost (2006-06-02 11:45 am)

charon wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

charon wrote:

Who has claimed the U.S. is responsible for "the majority of the pollution of the world"?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usenv.html

the United States remains the largest energy consumer in the world, and also the world's largest emitter of energy-related carbon dioxide.

Energy consumption isn't the same as pollution.

More importantly, you do understand that being the "largest" polluter in the world isn't the same thing as causing "most" pollution in the world, yes?

This is a pretty silly topic.

Like I said...

iBubba wrote:

:: yawn ::

This thread sucks.

iBubba wrote:

charon wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usenv.html

the United States remains the largest energy consumer in the world, and also the world's largest emitter of energy-related carbon dioxide.

Energy consumption isn't the same as pollution.

More importantly, you do understand that being the "largest" polluter in the world isn't the same thing as causing "most" pollution in the world, yes?

This is a pretty silly topic.

Like I said...

iBubba wrote:

:: yawn ::

This thread sucks.

I think I'll boycott it.

Cyberpawz wrote:

Oh really? You may want to update your dictionary... last time I checked largest means the most of...

largest

adj 1: greatest in size of those under consideration [syn: biggest, greatest] 2: maximal in amount; "a maximal amount"; "an outside estimate" [syn: outside]

It is so amusing when you attempt to be condescending even though you have no idea what you're talking about.

Listen carefully.  This was your statement:

In any case I'm wondering, when are people going to stop blaming the US for the majority of the pollution of the world

No one blames the U.S. for "the majority of pollution in the world."  That would mean that they were accusing the United States ALONE of producing just over half of all the "pollution" (whatever you mean by that generic word) that exists. 

You're looking for something along the lines of "the United States is the world's single-largest producer of pollution," or "per capita, the United States produces more pollution than any other country."

Charon was quite correct.

Cyberpawz wrote:

charon wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usenv.html

the United States remains the largest energy consumer in the world, and also the world's largest emitter of energy-related carbon dioxide.

Energy consumption isn't the same as pollution.

More importantly, you do understand that being the "largest" polluter in the world isn't the same thing as causing "most" pollution in the world, yes?

This is a pretty silly topic.

Oh really? You may want to update your dictionary... last time I checked largest means the most of...

largest

adj 1: greatest in size of those under consideration [syn: biggest, greatest] 2: maximal in amount; "a maximal amount"; "an outside estimate" [syn: outside]

So, if you got 12 random people together, the largest individual person would also account for the most of the group's weight ?

So is this the statement supposed to be disproved by this thread?:

Still, the United States remains the largest energy consumer in the world, and also the world's largest emitter of energy-related carbon dioxide. With the exception of Australia, most other industrialized countries rely much less heavily on coal, which is highly carbon intensive, to meet domestic energy needs than does the United States.

Is that untrue?