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#1 2006-07-03 12:20 pm
Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is to announce today he will petition for a place on the November ballot as an "independent Democrat," giving him a chance to stay alive politically should he lose an Aug. 8 primary for the Democratic nomination.
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … 9748.story
Since he's now directly saying that he doesn't care what his party thinks, is there any reason to treat him as a democrat?
It's a paradox of how sharply dull I am.
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#2 2006-07-03 12:29 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Just what we need - another John Anderson.
Doubt Libberman will have as much popular support, though, so he's not likely to be much of a threat to Demo ambitions.
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#3 2006-07-03 1:13 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
The conclusion is pretty obvious, isn't it?
He's counting on Republican votes to keep him in office.
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#4 2006-07-03 1:22 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
O yeah, forgot he's not running for pres this time.
He just wants to keep his day job. Damifino why.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
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#5 2006-07-03 1:43 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
No, I don't mean for prez, I mean for Senate.
Let's say dems only make up half the electorate. And let's say he can grab half the Democratic vote. He gets a good chunk of Republican voters (he's nine-tenths Republican as it is) and he gets to stay where he is.
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#6 2006-07-03 1:48 pm
Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
ShnickyShnack wrote:
No, I don't mean for prez, I mean for Senate.
Let's say dems only make up half the electorate. And let's say he can grab half the Democratic vote. He gets a good chunk of Republican voters (he's nine-tenths Republican as it is) and he gets to stay where he is.
Though what the republicans will try for is to get lieberman with enough signatures to run as an independent, then hope that the democrats will split their votes, then have their republican candidate get most of the R voters.
It's a paradox of how sharply dull I am.
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#7 2006-07-03 2:17 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Yeah, that's the Anderson trick.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
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#8 2006-07-03 2:18 pm
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#9 2006-07-03 2:28 pm
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Why doesn't the guy just go and officially announce he's a republican? What is his agenda with being a democrat in name only. He's not exactly being all stealthy and poop.
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#10 2006-07-03 3:38 pm
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Other than his stance on Iraq, what's so "republican" about the guy?
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#11 2006-07-03 3:46 pm
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endorsements by Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity perhaps?
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#12 2006-07-03 4:41 pm
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bedstuy wrote:
endorsements by Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity perhaps?
Barbara, please.
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#13 2006-07-03 7:54 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Matt Stoller wrote:
So Lieberman made his announcement. If you want to watch a really angry politician with superb control over his composure, Crooks and Liars has the video from his appearance on CNN.
Throughout the video, you'll notice that Lieberman is somewhat inconsistent. On the one hand, he says that he thinks he'll win the primary, and this is just 'an insurance policy'. On the other, he talks about how he'll do a better job in the Senate than his "Democratic or Republican opponents".
One thing to consider is how badly Lieberman didn't want to make this announcement. Today is the slowest news day of the year, a hot summer day during a long weekend. DC is deserted. People are at the beach. If he really thought this was just an insurance policy, would he really try to bury this announcement on a slow summer day? I don't think so.
Lieberman is a proud man, and an angry man. But he's no dummy.
http://mydd.com/story/2006/7/3/175741/3966
I think Lieberman might have a hard time burying the story since its going to be page 1 on the NY Times tomorrow.
CNN's video is fertile fodder. The mainstream media senses blood.
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#14 2006-07-03 8:21 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Farmerkev wrote:
Other than his stance on Iraq, what's so "republican" about the guy?
He stands with the Republicans on "family values" legislation. Aside from his support for social programs, he's more conservative than most conservative politicians.
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#15 2006-07-08 12:40 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Voted FOR cloture on Alito.
Then on floor vote, against Alito.
One of many examples of such devious tactics.
2.3 - What are "Blanks"?
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#16 2006-07-08 12:45 pm
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blank kludge wrote:
Voted FOR cloture on Alito.
Then on floor vote, against Alito.
One of many examples of such devious tactics.
That's really two separate things though.
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#17 2006-07-08 1:05 pm
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kb5zhh wrote:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is to announce today he will petition for a place on the November ballot as an "independent Democrat," giving him a chance to stay alive politically should he lose an Aug. 8 primary for the Democratic nomination.
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … 9748.story
Since he's now directly saying that he doesn't care what his party thinks, is there any reason to treat him as a democrat?
completely conform or hit the road, eh?
here is tip people: Conn. is blue state iirc.
My guess if it was red state he'd be a moderate GOP - though his views on healthcare and taxation seem to suggest to me that he is in the right party despite being socially conservative. I actually am not sure if the guy is pro-choice. While he may believe in "family vlaues" [which I think is a good thing} I see no sign that he really would really wish to LEGISLATE them.
In the end, he's a non-starter. That the Dems chose him for VP is what cost them the election IMHO.
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#18 2006-07-08 1:34 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Farmerkev wrote:
blank kludge wrote:
Voted FOR cloture on Alito.
Then on floor vote, against Alito.
One of many examples of such devious tactics.That's really two separate things though.
Two separate events, but one overall motivation, probably.
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#19 2006-07-08 1:53 pm
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Tetrachloride wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
blank kludge wrote:
Voted FOR cloture on Alito.
Then on floor vote, against Alito.
One of many examples of such devious tactics.That's really two separate things though.
Two separate events, but one overall motivation, probably.
I mean that thinking a vote on a nominee up or down is the right thing to do is different than thinking that person deserves the job. Two separate issues in my mind.
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#20 2006-07-08 2:05 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
I'll agree to disagree civilly on the Alito vote.
If you (Sen. Lieberman) don't think he should serve on the high court, imho, you're obligation is to use all means necessary for your view to prevail. On that, he certainly fell short.
If you know the votes are there for confirmation, in the end, what use is a 'symbolic' no vote on the nomination after letting it get to the floor? A 'checkmark' on various 'liberal' lists evaluating leg.s' voting record. That's all.
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#21 2006-07-08 2:18 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
If he didn't think that Alito was the right person for the job, then why vote to put him forward in the process?
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#22 2006-07-08 2:22 pm
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ahh....as usual, user has a succinct summation.
2.3 - What are "Blanks"?
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#23 2006-07-08 2:25 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Lieberman is a good man and senator, and perhaps the only Democrat I would vote for. He has always supported our troops, and voted for bills that are good for the nation overall. He is a somewhat "conservative" Democrat, and a man of honor, a defender of Israel. And yes, he has voted for issues relating to "family" along the Republicans, but there is nothing wrong with that. Keep in mind that family or marriage issues have helped the Republicans win recent elections, and I bet that it will be the same on the upcoming ones.
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#24 2006-07-08 4:14 pm
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If he didn't think that Alito was the right person for the job, then why vote to put him forward in the process?
Because we vote on things in our system.
I understand the power and purpose of the filibuster but I'm old enough to remember many years when the situation was reversed and there comes a point when the minority party has to concede that they are indeed the minority (at that moment). Alito may be more conservative (who knows really over time) than they would want, but he isn't some unqualified nutcase without support of the legal profession.
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#25 2006-07-08 4:33 pm
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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out
Even if he couldn't stop the vote, he still could have voted "no".
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
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