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....not to mention that the whole "Jeffords" thing is a good reason to be WARY of Lieberman!  Do you think Mr. Hannity had any great things to say about Jim "jumpin" Jeffords upon his defection from the GOP?

Farmerkev wrote:

Until and unless Liberman takes power away from the Dems it's a bit of a strawman to compare him with Jeffords.

Res introduced Jeffords to the conversation, though I'm still not sure what you mean.

"Comparing" them is a "strawman?"  How?

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Until and unless Liberman takes power away from the Dems it's a bit of a strawman to compare him with Jeffords.

Res introduced Jeffords to the conversation, though I'm still not sure what you mean.

"Comparing" them is a "strawman?"  How?

Exactly what I said, Jeffords took power away from the Reps, Lieberman only strengthens the Dems, there is no comparison.

Farmerkev wrote:

Exactly what I said, Jeffords took power away from the Reps, Lieberman only strengthens the Dems, there is no comparison.

Let me repeat to you again that RESEDIT introduced Jeffords to the discussion, followed by this gem:

When they complain is when there is one of their own who does not insist on being a partisan prick.

I'm sorry for following up on his post.  However, I see nothing invalid about suggesting that Lieberman (having lost the support of his party) could pull the same trick on the Democrats in Connecticut who opt to vote for him anyway were he reelected.

resedit wrote:

Well, it wouldn't be a "trick" if he is running as an independent.

"Independent Democrat," correct?

He won't though - he wants the democrat party to move more to the moderate side.

Just winning the election may have that effect to some extent, because it will demonstrate that the democrat base is more left than the voting base, and come november, it is the voting base that the democratic candidates must appeal to, not the democrat base.

The "voting base?"  Do you mean like "swing voters?"  The Democrats need only appeal to 'independents' and needs to make sure that the democrat faithful get out to vote.

In many cases they'll do fine by just painting their opponent as a FOB....'friend of Bush.'

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Well, it wouldn't be a "trick" if he is running as an independent.

"Independent Democrat," correct?

Technically he's running for the Connecticut for Lieberman party.

resedit wrote:

By "voting base" I mean anyone who actually goes to the polls and votes.
This may be a hard concept for some to understand, but there actually are people who vote outside their party, who would rather vote for someone of character who disagrees with them than someone of the right party that seems dishonest and leaves a bad taste in the mouth, etc.

I surely hope you're not referring to me. 

I've never heard the term "voting base" used in the way you used it.  That's why I asked.

You probably label me as far right as they come - but I have voted for numerous dems, for almost every position. I have never voted for a democrat running for senator, but they have six year terms so there hasn't been a large sample yet.

Getting 51% of your party is one thing. Getting 51% of the voter base is a completely different thing.
It's the second that gets you the job, we don't elect parties - we elect people.

....I don't think anyone has said otherwise.  One cannot get elected by party-faithful alone.

Some interesting nonsense from Lieberman's appearance today on conservative Glenn Beck's show:

BECK: I've been saying this before we even went into Iraq, that we're trying to change the face of the Middle East. The weapons of mass destruction was a nice side benefit. We were trying to go and pop the head of the snake in Iran. That's what we were trying to do. And I don't think anybody had the courage or could actually come out and say that with world politics the way they are.

LIEBERMAN: Well, you're right. And I think if I fault the administration for anything before the war -- 'cause I think we did the right thing in going in to overthrow Saddam -- it's that they oversold the WMD part of the argument....

Uh, he's "right?"  What?

Link.

wellfleation wrote:

resedit wrote:

You probably label me as far right as they come - but I have voted for numerous dems, for almost every position. I have never voted for a democrat running for senator, but they have six year terms so there hasn't been a large sample yet.

Can you provide a list of dems you voted for? I think that would be interesting.

I remember him saying he voted for Clinton over Dole which pretty well proves he a commie.

resedit wrote:

I voted for Bill Clinton re-election (voted for Bush re-election first time clinton ran and won)
I voted for Tom Torlakson for State Assembly (he's a really good guy, I probably would vote for him for state governor if he ran)
I supported Dan Boatwright - though I was not voting age at that time. I did convince mom and dad to put a sign up in the window. By time I could vote, no longer lived in his district.

I honestly can't name them all.
I can't name all the republicans I've voted for either. Well, Bush Senior once and Bush Junior twice. I did not vote for anybody for senate, I sure don't like Barbara Boxer politically (as a person, I have no problem with her) but the republican I can't even remember running against her wasn't worth my vote either.

Most of the dems I've voted for are local politics, which is actually what most spots on a ballot are.

Thanks, you have a better memory than me!

I can say that I would vote for McCain over Hillary in a heartbeat. God I hope she doesn't run!

If the polls are anything to go by, Ms. Hillary Clinton currently has a very poor chance of getting the Democratic Presidential nomination.

Just looking at her, it seems that she's trying to move to the center and/or right...and that many on the right aren't buying it, and won't forget the liberal label on her.

Many of those on the left were never truely behind her, and I think her move to the center/right is seen as pandering and a transparent bid to woo the middle.

I guess things could change if/when she starts campaigning, but....

resedit wrote:

Actually, I guess I vote outside my party all the time, as technically I'm registered American Independent. Other than some local elections, though, they never put up anybody worth voting for.

Are they hoping to pick up votes from the confused?

Yeah - putting it up for the people of his state to decide is definitely a sign of disdain for democracy.
Damn communist!