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Farmerkev wrote:

He did vote no on confirmation.
He voted yes that the guy deserved to be voted on.
I can understand someone doing this but you all think I'm weird anyway.

A little Star Trek levity from the episode 'A Piece of the Action': I don't think you're weird. I think you're suffering from arrested development.' To which the mob boss replies: "I've never been arrested in my life.'
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My point about Lieberman's Alito: "I voted for him before I voted against him."
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All that matters is the opinions of those who show up for the CT Dem primary in one month from today. But, imho, Joe should form a third party with Arlen. 'Lib/Con/Rep/Dem/Centrino's.'

user wrote:

Just what we need - another John Anderson.

He's going to be another smurfing Ralph Nader.

As an "independent democrat" all the people who don't pay attention until the week before the election will think "democrat" and "incumbent" and pull the lever, splitting the democrat vote and installing a (well, another) republican senator.

And of course all of his campaign rhetoric will be exclusively anti-Lamont.  Hopefully, he'll just snap and start cursing like a sailor on live tv or something and the men in the white coats with the butterfly nets will take him to the happy home.

I've read Lamont's webpage on his stand on issues.    http://nedlamont.com/issues       He seems Democratic to me, although I still don't know how this reconciles with his previous voting record.

Meanwhile, Lieb http://www.mydd.com/bb  has recently been getting 74 % of his money from out-of-state.    His own voters won't support him.

Lieberman's state party machine needs more oil than the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz...
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/ … organ.html
..."The response of the crowd of about 50 could not have been encouraging, though Lendenfeld impressed with his plan. Still, there was much resentment about Lieberman�s support of the war in Iraq and, now, threat to bolt party if he falls short on 8/8. Reactions ranged from support to nods to hostility. Most local leaders are far more interested in the gubernatorial race with its tangible rewards in patronage and prestige."...
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The Dem primary for Gov is what lots of the 'machine' is frothing at. Patronage.
"Joe?....hmmm. Not so much..."

Lieberman needs to go.  Along with a lot of other old timers in the Senate - Democrat and Republican alike.

Tetrachloride wrote:

I've read Lamont's webpage on his stand on issues.    http://nedlamont.com/issues       He seems Democratic to me, although I still don't know how this reconciles with his previous voting record.

Meanwhile, Lieb http://www.mydd.com/bb  has recently been getting 74 % of his money from out-of-state.    His own voters won't support him.

Update:  Lamont has been getting an equal amount of money from out of state.   However the media coverage may have been skewed.  http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/18/145738/105

Yes. That WOULD be so cool, doncha think?

Joe, FORMER lifelong, 3 term US Sen, and VP nominee Dem, loses Dem primary, meanwhile collecting signatures launching his own personal VANITY third party, also runs on the REPUCLICAN ticket.

PRICELESS.
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What's your stand, Joe? Pick one.

Geez, after all that wailing on the floor of the Senate about morality...pretzel logic. Makes sense, though in a way. He is Bush's FAVORITE DEMOCRAT after all. Nobody better at pretzel logic than the whole WH crew on Bush's Ship of Fools.

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-19 3:27 pm)

...damn! Not that, although my take would be, "How can anyone be 100% sure about that?" - but that's just me.

But rather, here I am in a catbird's seat just over the state line, and within the Hartford media (TV CBS, FOX, NBC) and I just blew off all local newscasts to check on any stories about the race.

Film at eleven.
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I can say that Lamont is personally matching  ($-for-$) any donations (in-state or out-of-state) from now thru at least 8/8; unclear about Nov. - suppose he'll cross that hurdle IF he gets to it.

(This may already be mentioned; but worth knowing: NO PAC $)

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-19 5:33 pm)

ahhh...

Correct. Just to be ornery I'll point out that he's got pleny of assets, and sure ain't depending on such a minor investment. (Compare Cheney.)
That stock was procured via a money manager; as far as I know, without his knowledge or direction. If there is evidence otherwise, I'm not aware of it.

Folks are suggesting he place things in a blind trust (if elected). Another suggestion would be to sell it and donate ALL proceeds to Vet charities (prosthetic limbs, etc.)

But, I guess the Rove playbook will make him answer the proverbial political trick question: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Shame.
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And Joe's wife gets money from Big Pharma. Have you looked at his votes?

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-19 6:21 pm)

During the debate, Joe took great pains in making sure it was obvious that Lamont wasn't of modest means.

What does it matter?

The guy's volunteered in inner city public schools. He has ideas on how to improve education. And health care.  And a lot of things for a better America.

Where's Joe? That seems to be the feeling of a lot of CT folks.

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-19 5:50 pm)

Farmerkev wrote:

Evidently it doesn't make a damn bit of difference as long as the guy has a (D) by his name.

Huh?
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Maybe ya got a point there. Here's quotes from a video taken last night in the home of Judith Resnick, who testifed against the Alito nomination to the Supreme Court to Senate  Judiciary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/13/polit … wanted=all

..."Judith Resnik, a law professor at Yale, disagreed.

"He's fabulous at tautology," Professor Resnik said of Judge Alito. "He says the president is not above the law. He says the president can only do what the Constitution allows him to do. But he doesn't say what the Constitution allows."

"One of the absolutely essential questions of American law at the moment is the ability of any human being to call the executive branch to account before the courts," she added, noting that Justice Sandra Day O'Connor had affirmed that principle in a 2004 opinion allowing an American citizen to challenge his detention by the military. "That possibility must be available. What we have not heard from Judge Alito is a commitment to that point of view." )
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Lest anyone forget, Joe aided the Alito nomination by refusing to join with other DEMOCRATS in filibustering the Alito nomination. Then, with no filibuster, he was able to cast a meaningless vote against the nominee. As we know, THAT final Senate vote put Alito on the High Court.
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This is part of Lamont's comments:
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..."Joe was the only Democrat in New England to support [the energy bill].  It was a bad bill�I think that after 9/11 our country was ready to make significant choices and real sacrifices and I think energy independence from foreign oil was at the top of the list of just about everybody.  That was the time for fuel economy standards, that was the time for conservation, that was the time to deal in a serious way with energy independence and the environment.  And we didn�t do that, we did just the opposite.  And I think Joe�s wrong on that."...

..." A guy named Russ Feingold stood up about four months ago and he said, look we ought to have hearings, and we�re going to determine whether these wiretaps with approval or without approval, without FISA approval, are legal.  The American Bar Association says it was illegal, Joe Lieberman says it was illegal, and I think it was illegal.  I think we should hold this President accountable for that.  If we don�t have the House and we don�t have the Senate, that being we Democrats, then maybe we should introduce a censure resolution.  Short and to the point, but a way to say we�re going to hold you accountable.

It was there that the Democrats in general, not just Joe Lieberman, walked away on Feingold.  And that surprised me a little bit. 
You know it was Joe that said, "look I don�t want to scold the President for what he�s done in the past.  Let�s look forward and change the law.  He was more than happy to scold Bill Clinton some time ago. "...
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So yeah. Maybe a guy with a REAL (D).

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-19 6:52 pm)