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#51 2006-07-20 5:03 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Matt Stoller at http://mydd.com/story/2006/7/20/03123/8012 shows how the Lieberman campaign is in disarray because the staff could not answer if Lieb would run as a Republican.

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#52 2006-07-20 7:51 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Tetrachloride wrote:

Matt Stoller at http://mydd.com/story/2006/7/20/03123/8012 shows how the Lieberman campaign is in disarray because the staff could not answer if Lieb would run as a Republican.

I read something the other day (and I'm too lazy to go look it up) showing how Joe has basically no campaign organization because he hasn't thought he needed one. He's building from scratch, and instead of an army of volunteers he's paying for all his campaign workers' time.


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#53 2006-07-20 8:22 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Jaligard wrote:

But he is a Democrat and he's holding one of the seats in the Senate, which we desperately need to get a majority in November. Money spent defeating him could easily be going to strengthen candidates with tougher races ahead of them.

I have to wonder if that is why Barbara Boxer is supporting him.
Because he is an incumbant, he's going to have a much easier time winning the seat than a newbie will. When it comes down to having enough seats to win the senate majority, the money is really better spent on races where it is needed to send a republican to the unemployment line.

If Lieberman loses in the primaries, they (dems) will potentially lose a seat - and he does vote with the dems on an awful lot of issues.

The more seats the dems can win, the better. Needing to spend money so they don't lose a seat is (from a purely partisan perspective) a waste.


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#54 2006-07-20 9:36 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

We were 'misinformed' - Quinnipiac poll out today:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11376.xml?ReleaseID=940

Guess what?
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"July 20, 2006 - Lamont Inches Ahead Of Lieberman In Dem Primary, Quinnipiac University Connecticut Poll Finds; Incumbent Still Leads In 3-Way November Matchup
Anti-war Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Ned Lamont has surged to a razor-thin 51 - 47 percent lead over incumbent Sen. Joseph Lieberman among likely Democratic primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 55 - 40 percent lead for Sen. Lieberman among likely Democratic primary voters in a June 8 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University."...

BUT:

..."Running as an independent, Lieberman gets 51 percent, to 27 percent for Lamont and 9 percent for Schlesinger."...
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There's more info there. But, my prediction of 48/48/4 is close, eh?
This is highly fluid. IMHO, the wave will continue to break with the chanllenger. But, I always have Buckner Game 6 '86 and Yogi Berra in mind:"It ain't over till it's over."

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#55 2006-07-20 2:19 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

oh my... Lamont pulls OVER Lieberman in polls

A new Quinnipiac University poll released today finds Ned Lamont holding a 51 to 47 percent lead over Lieberman among likely Democratic primary voters. Just six weeks ago, Lieberman was up by fifteen points. And a month before that, Lieberman's lead was three times that size.

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#56 2006-07-20 2:52 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Oh, my...
Guess who also has appropriated my former incarnation nom-de-net?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candloo … =N00000616


That link goes to J/Lie's campaign disclosure statements. In PDF form.
Click on 2005. On page 7 of the PDF, there's a listing for Victory Diversified Fund.

Theres' more than one guy in this race with HAL interests. That guy has Senate votes on war; and profits associated with said votes.

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#57 2006-07-20 3:23 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

And now Bill Clinton is stumping for Lieb ?   Give me a break.  http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/200607 … ost/025431

An anti-war anti-Lieb pro-Lamont ad  http://movies.crooksandliars.com/AvaCan … berman.mov

I note that they use pictures of mourners at funerals and one of flag-covered caskets.   That might be controversial, but perhaps the maker of the movie had permission.

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#58 2006-07-20 3:44 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

I haven't clicked the links to the 'controversial' stuff, yet. Jiminy Crickets...ANYTHING that can be called 'disagreement' or 'respectful dissent' is LABELLED by shill media as "controversial" or "shrill". Stand up for what's right; don't be shouted down or intimidated. Some of the best advice I ever got was from my fifth grade teacher: "Are you a man or a mouse; if you think you're right, stick to your guns." (This was 1966-67.) His teaching was frequently interrupted several times a day; could have been several times and hour, by the overwhelming sound of B-52's dispatched to and returning from Vietnam via Westover Air Force base, Chicopee, MA. Our public school, near the Chicopee line, was right under the flight path. (School building recently replaced just down the street by one named in honor of the late Congressman Eddie Boland, author of the Boland Amendment.) That year, despite the frequent interruptions by overflights,  was the most productive year of the 12 years I spent before college. Solid education, butressed by art, poetry, pottery and lots of other activity.

I'm sick of anyone shying away from stating the truth for fear of reprisal. Last I checked, the First Amendment still holds. I'd go further, but Godwin prevents.

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#59 2006-07-22 7:32 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Joe's stepping up blanketing TV with 'Lamont flip-flop' ads (I think they're called "Who IS Ned Lamont?"((I'm reminded of Butch and Sundance fleeing the expert Native American tracker leading the posse...)).

I think Joe forgets the neo-con mantra as embodied by Iraq (ironically). Pre-emptive strike. These ads would have been much more effective PRIOR to the State Convention. Maybe would have prevented Ned's 33% easily making the primary ballot. AND would have basically rendered moot a petitition drive to force a primary. Ned mighta got the signatures, but would have already been 'swiftboated' in the minds of all voters.

Now, the genie is out of the bottle.

Excellent campaign strategy. (ummm...NOT.) Although, rumor has it Joe's looking for the 'low info voter' so this current barrage may prove somewhat fruitful. Whether it'll be enough remains an open question.
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Today the Harford Courant tells us that Lamont is on the stump for universal heath coverage. Message drowned out by polling questions:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … tics-state

.."News of the poll followed Lamont throughout a day of campaigning, which he had hoped would spotlight his proposal for universal health care.

At a press conference outside a medical building in New Britain, where patients squeezed by reporters, Lamont said he favored forcing employers to provide insurance, while allowing them to cut costs by buying into larger insurance pools.

But the first questions posed addressed his new standing in the polls.

"Ah, back to issues," he said."
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Those bits quoted above come about the 10th graph in the story. The rest is polling and Joe's strategy, horse-race recap.

And I would consider this one of the 'better' (not in the sense of it agrees with me) political reporting in that it at least sorta actually covers a campaign as it happens.
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UPDATE: or ----'DEVELOPING'-------
Those wild and wacko lefty bloggers have 'inside' polling numbers up. (Pre-release info from Rasumussen.)
http://joel1954.dailykos.com/storyonly/ … 94755/3899
..."what the hell, here are the numbers primary NED 51% JOE 41% general NED 40% JOE 40% GOP CAND 13% that`s all he said . specific data to come later."
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Salt to taste. (ie - FWIW.)

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#60 2006-07-22 5:06 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Lamont take the lead over Lieb in primary polling according to the Rasmussen poll  http://mydd.com/story/2006/7/22/132827/508

AND in a tie in a 3-way vote with the Republican gambler.   The story notes the Rasmussen poll has a tendency to give a slight advantage to Lamont.

Look for Lieberman to say that he doesn't watch the polls.   Let the voters decide, except if they vote against him.

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#61 2006-07-23 3:04 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Last bits from today's Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … tics-state

...Lamont said he was touched by by Kaptur's and Waters' visits, saying his campaign has come a long way from the days when Democratic officeholders would offer only their furtive support.

"It takes courage, and we've got more people stepping up every day, saying this race is important," Lamont said. "This race can make a difference."

Lamont was joined Saturday by former Hartford Mayor Thirman L. Milner and Chris Donovan of Meriden, the state House majority leader.

"Ned Lamont is answering what the people are asking: `Where are the Democrats? Why aren't you fighting? Why don't we hear from you?'" Waters said.""
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The state house majority leader. I think he has a (D) next to his name. A real one.

Joe's part... er, I mean 'war' machine needs oil, eh?

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#62 2006-07-23 3:16 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

resedit wrote:

If Lieberman loses in the primaries, they (dems) will potentially lose a seat - and he does vote with the dems on an awful lot of issues.

It's always a possibility, but we are talking about a state where there are more registered dems than in any other. And with the absolute mess this country is in under the republicans control, I don't see the people of CT voting a rep. in.

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#63 2006-07-23 3:46 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Add this to the rapid fire jabs:
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No More Joe
`Dead Wrong' On The War And Defense Of Bush, White House Excesses
July 23, 2006
By IRVING STOLBERG

Joe Lieberman and I have been friends and colleagues for 38 years. We ran for and won seats in the Connecticut legislature as a team of reformers in 1970. He was my state senator and I was his state representative. He rose to Senate majority leader as I became speaker of the House. With others, we formed the Caucus of Connecticut Democrats, a progressive coalition, to further the causes of peace in Vietnam and justice at home.

I have supported him in every election he has had - until now. This year I am supporting Ned Lamont to unseat Joe. Almost four decades of friendship with Joe has made this a wrenching decision for me."....
-MORE-
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/com … 3559.story
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This Lamont campaign is floating like a butterfly, and stinging like a bee. That young man is rumbling, rumbling. Stinging jabs landing; face getting puffy...Is that a cut over Joe's Right eye?

"DOWN GOES LIEBER!"

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#64 2006-07-23 8:17 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

wellfleation wrote:

resedit wrote:

If Lieberman loses in the primaries, they (dems) will potentially lose a seat - and he does vote with the dems on an awful lot of issues.

It's always a possibility, but we are talking about a state where there are more registered dems than in any other.

Doesn't matter if Lieberman runs as an independent - if he runs as an indy, it will split a lot of the democrat vote - and he may even win, making it to the senate anyway but as an indy and not a dem.


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#65 2006-07-23 8:33 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

I dunnah tink Res reads afore opinin' and all...

But he's all wrong.

Joe will be in a position where he's:
Dem primary 'LOSER'
Has to defend his record (on ALL issues); maybe even including an explanation why HE owns HAL stock? As it might be delicately put, it's an issue that's 'out there' in great measure due to his campaign and loser tactics.
Will be forced to 'run away from himself' - it can't be done.
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In fact, this piece today makes him a combination 'he who shall remain nameless' and a 'man with no name', no shame, no principles, and no party. He's just 'the other guy':

-snip-
..."It's funny and pathetic to hear the other guy try to distort the character and qualifications of Lamont.

For example, the other guy is an ultimate tool of the rich and powerful when it comes to energy policy, the war and health care. Lamont, in contrast, is a strong advocate for universal health care and unafraid to stand up to the closest thing the United States has ever had to a fascist regime.

The other guy would censure one president for lying about oral sex and be a good stooge for another president who orders massive illegal spying on citizens, institutionalizes torture and weakens the country by lying about the reason for going to war -- and condemning our young to die or be maimed without justification or purpose.

Expect more intensity and more big lies from the other guy. Desperate career politicians get that way, especially when they are losing."...
-snip-
..."Lamont's current numbers in a three-way race are not insurmountable given recent trends. With each passing day, Lamont will look more like a winner and the other guy will be exposed as more of a loser."
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbc … 30310/1014
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Stinging, scathing, derisive, dismissive, and more.

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#66 2006-07-25 7:32 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

In today's news, Lamont keeps those jabs flashing. Did you know 'The Other Guy'  hosted B. Boxer and our Man From Hope yesterday?

Here's a little on how his day went -
Courant:
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-cl … s-breaking
Note the end of first graph. Telling sentence.
....""I don't have anything against Joe's opponent. He seems like a perfectly fine man. He's got every right to run, and he's certainly waged a vigorous campaign," Clinton said. "But I know that on the issues I believe are critical to the future, Joe Lieberman's past is good evidence of his future."

The crowd offered its loudest cheers for the two-term former president, who appeared tan and vigorous nearly two years after open-heart surgery.

"You need to calm down, otherwise I'll forget I'm not president anymore," Clinton said.

U.S. Rep. John B. Larson, D-1st District, who remained in Washington, D.C., on Monday, said Lieberman needs to generate excitement in the primary campaign's last two weeks.

"The intensity is with the other side," said Larson, who is supporting Lieberman. "They are motivated. They are angry."

George Jepsen, a former Democratic state chairman supporting Lamont, was outside the theater, waiting to tell reporters that the rally was too little, too late to fend off a discontented tide.

"I don't think it changes the existing dynamic," Jepsen said. "Joe Lieberman has lost touch with Connecticut voters and Connecticut Democrats. He is still losing ground to Ned Lamont."

Others were more charitable.":...
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On the other hand you had Lamont's version of the 'Bristol Stomp"-


" Koskoff, other Lamont backers to rally at museum
By Steve Collins, The Bristol Press
07/25/2006

Taking a stand against U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, former Democratic congressional candidate Charlotte Koskoff of Plainville said Monday the senator is "carrying water" for the Republican "crazies who are running this country."

Koskoff said shes backing Greenwich businessman Ned Lamonts primary challenge "with a heavy heart because Lieberman is a nice person and because obviously it would easy for the Democratic Party and the congressional challengers if there was no primary."

But, she said, "I felt it was a moral issue" to oppose Lieberman, the Democratic Partys vice presidential candidate six years ago.

Koskoff and other area Lamont supporters are holding a free meet-and-greet for Lamont on Saturday at the American Clock and Watch Museum on Federal Hill in Bristol."...
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http://www.bristolpress.com/site/news.c … &rfi=6
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Oh, a pair of YouTube vids showing the exciting event with B.Boxer:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/

The Other Guy is as stiff as the Tin-Man.
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Summary of the day by the NH Register:
http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm … &rfi=6
(may need to reg - but it worked for me w/o. Fair and balanced. Really.)

..."Earlier Monday, U.S. Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, stumped for Lieberman in Norwalk.

On the war and other issues, Boxer of California and Lieberman are not on the same page. She wants U.S. troops redeployed out of Iraq in a year, the same position as Lamont, and she is among a group of senators sponsoring a censure resolution against Bush over his domestic spying program.

But Boxer praised Liebermen for his consistent positions on the environment and on a womans right to choose. "If you want to meet a leader (on these issues,) youve got one here," she said in her message to Connecticut voters.

Being among only 14 women senators in the Congress, Boxer said she considers Lieberman one of the "Sir Galahads," a category of male colleagues who the women feel they can count on "time and time and time again" on global warming and against drilling in the Alaskan wilderness for oil.

"This is a natural alliance. Do we agree on everything? No. Do any two people agree on everything? I dont think so," Boxer said."

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#67 2006-07-25 1:53 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

This is TOO interesting: Note the dateline.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosn … &art=1
"11 Notes on Lieberman"
"...But coming back from a two-day trip to the battleground state, here are just a couple of initial remarks.

1. Yesterday, in Waterbury, I asked Lamont for his opinion about Lebanon, and the answer I received was really about Iraq - that's the drum he's been beating. Obviously, he perceives the current situation in Lebanon as one that only serves to prove his point. "I'm very concerned about it," he said. "Clearly, the war [in Iraq] didn't stabilize the Middle-East." You can't argue with that.

2. Today was a crucial day for Lieberman. In the morning he campaigned with Senator Boxer from California - a conventional weapon, but a lethal one - and in the afternoon he went nuclear, campaigning with Bill Clinton (This was also in Waterbury). If the polls don't show some improvement for him tomorrow, you can kiss the Democrat Lieberman goodbye. Lieberman just can't go any better than he did today."...
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosn … &art=1

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#68 2006-07-26 3:11 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Today's Washington Post online chat w/political writer Chris Cillizza:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … mp;sub=new

..."Oxford, Miss.: Maybe I'm just dense, but I really don't understand WHY Bill Clinton campaigned for Lieberman at this point. Why not just wait out the primary and support whomever wins? Clinton and Lieberman have never been good personal buddies or political allies anyway.

Chris Cillizza: Lots of Lieberman questions.

Look, Bill Clinton and Joe Lieberman have known each other for more than 30 years. Bill Clinton worked as a staffer on Lieberman's first campaign for the state Senate in the early 1970s. I think the two men have a genuine affection for one another.

While I am as cynical as the next guy when it comes to politicians, I do think that sometimes they make decisions out of loyalty and friendship rather than out of some strategic design.

Bill and Hillary Clinton have both said they will support the Democratic nominee in the fall, which, it's looking more and more likely, won't be Lieberman.

_______________________

Chicago, Ill.: If Lieberman were to lose the Democratic primary for senate in Connecticut, what if anything would that say about the fall elections?

Chris Cillizza: I answered a similar question on The Fix yesterday.

A Lieberman loss, which is at least a 50-50 proposition at the moment, would have a major impact on Democratic politicians -- especially those running for president in 2008 who have been hesitant about calling for a timeline for withdrawal.

While I believe that Lieberman's struggles have as much to do with the stridency with which he has voice his support for the war as his actual position, a loss would be interpreted as a warning to any and all Democrats that the party's base simply will not accept anything other than strong critics of the war.

This is one of the most fascinating races in a long time in Connecticut. I am watching it very closely.

_______________________

Rochester, N.Y.: Would a Lamont win in the Connecticut Democratic primary have an effect on solidifying a national Democratic party position on Iraq?

Chris Cillizza: See my last answer."...
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dan Balz 'Bellwether' discussion followed:
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..."Alpharetta, Ga.: Do you think the CT senate primary will impact the three House races there this fall: Johnson, Simmons and Shays?

Dan Balz: The Lieberman-Lamont race is such a fascinating contest. If Lieberman loses and runs as an independent, that could hurt Democratic chances of sweeping the three GOP-held congressional seats you mentioned: CT 2 Simmons), CT 4 (Shays) and CT 5 (Johnson). Lieberman will be trying to draw out independent and Republican voters to support his independent candidacy and Democrats will find themselves in a potentially debilitating split. No one knows at this point what all that will add up to but Democrats involved in the race don't think a Lieberman independent candidacy is good for those House candidates."...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00508.html
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Guess that's enough to ponder for today.

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#69 2006-07-29 2:52 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Today's Lamont/Jozo campaign news update/roundup:
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http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S= … p;nav=3YeX
..""Joe Lieberman didn't know anything about us or what Terri wanted but that didn't stop him from going on national television saying he and George Bush knew better," says Schiavo."...
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It might be worth your while to open the Grey Lady tomorrow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/nyreg … r=homepage

..."[The editorial page of The New York Times on Sunday endorsed Mr. Lamont over Mr. Lieberman, arguing that the senator had offered the nation a warped version of bipartisanship in his dealings with Mr. Bush on national security.]..."
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Meanwhile, 'the other guy':
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … ory?page=2

..."Clinton endorsed Lieberman at a rally Monday, a moment that is being repeated in a new television commercial. Using Clinton's theme song, "Don't Stop" (Thinking About Tomorrow), Lieberman dubbed his trip, "Joe's Tomorrow Tour."

"This race is ultimately not about me or my opponent. It's about the people of Connecticut, their families and their futures," Lieberman said. "And that is what we should be talking about. So for the next 10 days, that's all I'm going to talk about."

His tour had scheduled stops Friday in Meriden, Naugatuck, Seymour, Ansonia, Orange and New Haven, where Lieberman talked about the past, reciting federal aid he's delivered.

In Meriden, Lieberman was greeted by local officials and one silent protester: Peter N. Hargett, 50, a local Democrat who stood with a sign that said, "Terri.""...

..."Lieberman was greeted warmly at most stops, though he had his share of unscripted moments. In Meriden, he asked Richard Fuqua, the only customer in a diner, "How are you doing?"

"I believe I'm doing better than you are," Fuqua replied."...
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Jozo's Tommorow Tour.

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#70 2006-07-29 2:59 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

yeah, and what's interesting about the NY Times article (as well as the endorsement) is that Lieberman knew as far back as January, and before Lamont was even running, that his internal polls looked weak even against a HYPOTHETICAL opponent.  The man is just plain out to lunch.  Out of touch with his constituents is the real reason he is losing.  That entire article really shows how cluelessly he's been running his campaign.

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#71 2006-07-29 6:44 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

There's only a very select few who deserve a challenge like this. (ummm....NOT!)

In fact, if EVERY RACE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY HAD THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE, THERE'D BE NO RATIONALE FOR TERM LIMITS.
(which I object to on principle. That robs ME, a citizen and voter, of a possible choice I might actually want to vote FOR, for a change. Though those are few and far between these days, the Constitution itself has no language like that. It envisions a lively electorate and candidates reflecting robust races based on the electorate's wishes.)

sigh.


2.3 - What are "Blanks"?

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#72 2006-07-29 8:04 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

most of the blame falls on the unlively electorate

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#73 2006-07-29 8:07 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

bedstuy wrote:

most of the blame falls on the unlively electorate

Coffee to the people!


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#74 2006-07-29 8:26 pm

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

bedstuy wrote:

yeah, and what's interesting about the NY Times article (as well as the endorsement) is that Lieberman knew as far back as January, and before Lamont was even running, that his internal polls looked weak even against a HYPOTHETICAL opponent.  The man is just plain out to lunch.  Out of touch with his constituents is the real reason he is losing.  That entire article really shows how cluelessly he's been running his campaign.

Out of touch purposely?

I didn't realize he owned Haliburton stock until someone here mentioned it. It ALL MAKES SENSE now. I would include that in every campaign commercial against this phony, this obvious sell out. Blood for profit is okay? Scum-bag! I see the light!


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#75 2006-07-30 6:38 am

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Re: Lieberman vs Lamont: Lieberman chickens out

Electorate in Bristol CT: Jozo's Time Is UP!
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http://www.ctcentral.com/site/news.cfm? … &rfi=6

..."While there are many reasons for Lieberman's woes, most of those supporting his ouster said that the senator's backing for Bush's war was the thing that pushed them into the Lamont camp.
"How could he, as a Connecticut Democrat, double-cross us and send our young troops to be killed?" asked Felix Vasilaitis of Bristol, a U.S. Army veteran who served between the Korean and Vietnam wars. "He's a two-face."
Val Dumais, chairman of the Plainville Democratic Town Committee, told Lamont that he can't stand to think of more young soldiers slaughtered for so little.
"Going into Iraq was a waste of American lives," said Dumais, a Vietnam veteran.
As Lamont walked across the parking lot outside the museum to greet supporters, Barbara Walker of Bristol rushed to his side.
"Every word you say is something I've been thinking," Walker said. She said that from the war to the need for universal health care, Lamont is on the right side and Lieberman isn't.
Al Marko, a union Democrat who helped organize the Lamont event, said his support began with the war but broadened as he heard Lamont talk about transportation, health care, student loans and more.
"It's not just one issue," Marko said. "It's time for a change. That's the theme for today."
When Lamont rose to speak to the crowd inside the museum, he took note of the hundreds of antique timepieces all around.
"I don't like to be an hour late at a clock and watch museum," he joked, apologizing for running behind schedule, as most politicians do.
Lamont said that his campaign is "jazzed up" as the attention of the nation focuses on his bid to thrash Lieberman in the primary and snatch the Senate seat in November's general election."...


2.3 - What are "Blanks"?

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