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#1 2006-07-04 5:34 pm

Jack Sparrow
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.Mac should be free!

Yeah, you're probably thinking, "But .Mac is so integrated with Macs!" Yeah, and that is about the only thing it has.

Here is what I mean. Look at www.box.net. They offer a free 1 gig web dav server. I love mine, especially because it can be mounted like an iDisk.

Or maybe it should be much cheaper. In the latest issue of MacAddict, there is an advertisement for a server service from Netfirms. If you enter the promo MAC, you get a 20GB account, with 750GB of bandwith and 2 domains. For $10. For $90 less than .Mac, with 20 times more storage.

I could probably sit here listing more services that make .Mac seem even more ridiculous, but it just makes me mad.

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#2 2006-07-04 5:44 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

At the very least, a full Mac.com account should be free for 1-year to all new Mac buyers or other frequent buyers of Apple products.

Thx for the Box.net tip.

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#3 2006-07-04 6:20 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

There are so many extra features small and large that make .Mac an excellent service.  Encrypted chats, etc.  I myself don't have .Mac though for the exact reasons you listed above.  Thanks for the Box link too, I'll check that out!


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#4 2006-07-04 6:39 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Nefarious Bidding wrote:

At the very least, a full Mac.com account should be free for 1-year to all new Mac buyers or other frequent buyers of Apple products.

Thx for the Box.net tip.

Imagine how that would help push Macs.

And box.net is great!


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#5 2006-07-04 6:48 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Hmmm.  I signed up for Box.net.  It looks very promising.  However, the website provides no instructions on how to connect from Mac OS X (afaik).  I had to find out how to connect from Mac OS X from a completely different website.  Also, a whole bunch of the features (direct linking) are premium only.  Looks good so far though.  Thanks again.


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#6 2006-07-04 7:26 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Giving it away for free could be justified if it brought in more revenue to Apple in other ways.  Like if it were a major switcher vehicle or was generating some huge buzz about Macs.  My guess is that is not happening, and it is working better as a service paid for by those who think it brings good value.


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#7 2006-07-04 7:37 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Box.net is great.  But doest anybody else know of .Mac free alternatives for calendar syncing, email, files, etc?


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#8 2006-07-04 7:51 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Enigmatik wrote:

Hmmm.  I signed up for Box.net.  It looks very promising.  However, the website provides no instructions on how to connect from Mac OS X (afaik).  I had to find out how to connect from Mac OS X from a completely different website.  Also, a whole bunch of the features (direct linking) are premium only.  Looks good so far though.  Thanks again.

O, wow, I should have mentioned that. You can just use Finder>Go>Connect to Server. Type in www.box.net/webdav. It will ask for your usename and password. Then it will mount on your desktop.

Czachorski, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Think about this. "And with every Mac, you get a free gigabyte of online space, that can be used to sync perfectly with your Mac or to host your iWeb site." That would be a huge benefit for me.


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#9 2006-07-04 7:58 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Enigmatik wrote:

Hmmm.  I signed up for Box.net.  It looks very promising.  However, the website provides no instructions on how to connect from Mac OS X (afaik).  I had to find out how to connect from Mac OS X from a completely different website.  Also, a whole bunch of the features (direct linking) are premium only.  Looks good so far though.  Thanks again.

O, wow, I should have mentioned that.

Yeah don't worry I found it.  Odd, that there is no documentation on the Box.net website on how to do this yet I find out a different website not affaliated to Box.net?


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#10 2006-07-04 8:12 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Czachorski, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Think about this. "And with every Mac, you get a free gigabyte of online space, that can be used to sync perfectly with your Mac or to host your iWeb site." That would be a huge benefit for me.

I am speculating that Apple has determined that the cost of such a program would not be recovered by the increase in sales generated.  It's a number game.  You would have to provide the service to 100% of all Mac purchasers, even though perhaps only a very small percentage are buying the product because of that promotion/free service.  If the added revenue doesn't produce more profit than the cost of the promotion/free service, it would be a bad program for Apple.  I am suggesting that such a scenario may be the actual case.

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#11 2006-07-04 8:13 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Yeah, but, how much does it really cost them per year to host .Mac for each user?  I'm guessing a lot less than $99.


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#12 2006-07-04 8:16 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Enigmatik wrote:

Yeah, but, how much does it really cost them per year to host .Mac for each user?  I'm guessing a lot less than $99.

My fault - we crossed posted while I was editing.  Yeah, it is probably way less than $99.  But you have to provide it to every single Mac purchaser, when only a small few may be buying because of that promotion.


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#13 2006-07-04 8:18 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Nefarious Bidding wrote:

At the very least, a full Mac.com account should be free for 1-year to all new Mac buyers or other frequent buyers of Apple products.

Thx for the Box.net tip.

I believe that new mac purchasers already get a 90 day free trial.


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#14 2006-07-04 8:30 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Yeah.   90 days is not very encouraging.

EDIT:   It's 60 days, not 90.

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#15 2006-07-04 9:25 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Well, just because you offer every user free .Mac doesn't mean that they all of them will use it ever if at all.  I mean, you figure if someone is going to pay for a service they are going to make the most of it.  However, if you offer it to all users not everyone is going to use the service.  I don't think the issue for the is costliness.


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#16 2006-07-04 9:33 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

If .mac had 5GB of storage and was $50 a year I would do it.


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#17 2006-07-04 9:35 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

I think it's fine the way it is.  We should keep thinking of ideas for why .Mac should be free so I can email this thread to Apple when it's done.


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#18 2006-07-04 9:37 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

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#19 2006-07-04 9:55 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Enigmatik wrote:

Well, just because you offer every user free .Mac doesn't mean that they all of them will use it ever if at all.  I mean, you figure if someone is going to pay for a service they are going to make the most of it.  However, if you offer it to all users not everyone is going to use the service.  I don't think the issue for the is costliness.

That's a good point that not everyone who gets it free would use it.  But then you have to figure that Apple has maybe a million subscribers who pay for it now, and that revenue would be lost if it were free.  I don't think its straight cost as much as benefit to Apple.  If they have data that shows that free .mac would only result in marginal new Mac sales, but it would cause lost revenue and added expenses, then that would explain their present course.

In a nutshell:  if there were great advantages to Apple to it being free, then they would make it free.  You have to show how it being free is going to sell not just more Macs, but enough more to offset additional expenses and lost revenue.


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#20 2006-07-04 10:02 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Czachorski wrote:

Enigmatik wrote:

Well, just because you offer every user free .Mac doesn't mean that they all of them will use it ever if at all.  I mean, you figure if someone is going to pay for a service they are going to make the most of it.  However, if you offer it to all users not everyone is going to use the service.  I don't think the issue for the is costliness.

If they have data that shows that free .mac would only result in marginal new Mac sales, but it would cause lost revenue and added expenses, then that would explain their present course.

The way you put it, profit is the only thing that matters to Apple.  Maybe they would loose a few bucks and maybe the sales gain wouldn't be that drastic.  But still, free .Mac for all would increase good faith of customers in the company, which would in theory have them stay around longer.  Besides, Apple has been known to do things not because it's better for their profit but also good for their users.


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#21 2006-07-04 10:34 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

I think it's ridiculous to think it should be free.  I also think it's too expensive.  However, if they weren't getting enough business at the current price I think they would have decreased it by now.

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#22 2006-07-04 11:33 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Czachorski, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Think about this. "And with every Mac, you get a free gigabyte of online space, that can be used to sync perfectly with your Mac or to host your iWeb site." That would be a huge benefit for me.

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#23 2006-07-04 11:43 pm

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Re: .Mac should be free!

Macskeeball wrote:

Jack Sparrow wrote:

Czachorski, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Think about this. "And with every Mac, you get a free gigabyte of online space, that can be used to sync perfectly with your Mac or to host your iWeb site." That would be a huge benefit for me.

iTools, anyone?

lol Yeah, I guess it really was a huge benifit to a lot of people; perhaps a few too many.


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#24 2006-07-05 12:16 am

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Re: .Mac should be free!

You can get $30 off when you sign-up for .Mac when you buy a new Mac.  I don't think that it should be free, but the price should come down a bit.  $99/year seems a bit steep.  Make it $79/year like iLife or something.


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#25 2006-07-05 12:17 am

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Re: .Mac should be free!

I thought iLife was $50?!?!!?  What rock have I been under?


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