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#1 2006-07-09 7:55 pm

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Loooong PS3 Q&A Leaked

From http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31849

Sony wrote:

Playstation 3 / E3 2006 QA

- PS3 is a computer system
- PS3 is one product with different configuration
- PS3 launch date : Nov 11 (Japan), Nov 17 (US/Europe)
- PS3 price : 20GB : JPY 59,800, USD499, EUR499 (incl. VAT) / 60GB : JPY Open, USD599, EUR599 (incl. VAT)

PS3 Business Strategy

Q1. Why will you launch two models with different specs for PS3 ?
A1. PS3 is a computer system and as such, various configurations can be considered. In future, larger HDD may be required for larger content to be saved on PS3. Considering the fact that, nowadays, network connectivity is spreading within the homes, we have decided to introduce a configuration with basic ports. However, these ports, excluding HDMI, are expandable with adaptors available on the market.

Q2. How can users connect PS3 to TV without HDMI output ?
A2. PS3 supports most displays via the AV multi output. Visual quality through AV multi output is comparable to that through HDMI.

Q3. Do you have two color variations of black and silver for two different models ?
A3. This model comes in one color (clear black) only. There may be color variations in the future.

Q4. What is the initial launch quantity for PS3 ?
A4. 2 million units will be shipped worldwide at the launch timing (for the first 3 weeks), cumulative 4 million units by the end of December and cumulative 6 million by the end of March 2007 (we do not disclose the breakdown by region).

Q5. Will you launch the PS3 in the Asian region at the same timing ?
A5. Yes.

Q6. What is the breakdown of the production shipment figures for each model ?
A6. We will decide the breakdown according to the market situation.

Q7. Are you planning to launch another model which has different HDD or interface in the future ?
A7. Like PCs, other configuration with the different HDD capacity and I/O can be considered in the future.

Q8. Where will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A8. We will start manufacturing in Japan and China simultaneously (we don't disclose the names of manufacturing companies).

Q9. When will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A9. We will start assembly from summer. Manufacturing of the main semiconductors has already started.

Q10. MS's Xbox360 was launched a year ago and has a head start. How do you feel about it ?
A10. We have set the best launch timing for PS3.

Q11. How is the PS3 network service going to be ? Will you also start the service from day one ? What are the differences between Xbox Live and PS3 network services ?
A11. Apart from providing basic features and functions, the most important element is content and services. Downloading music in SingStar, purchasing or exchanging game data as we demonstrated at E3 press conference and many other new ways of enjoyment will be provided.

Q12. Will the network service be charged ?
A12. Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.

Q13. Are the specifications and design final ?
A13. Very close to final.

PS3 Price

Q14. Why did you set such a price for 20GB HDD model ?
A14. We have set this price so that many users can enjoy PS3.

Q15. Why is only 60GB model open price for Japan ?
A15. Each RHQ decides the price of PS3.

Q16. You have announced in April that more than 100 billion yen of operating loss will be caused from Game segment in FY06. Will the PS3 price have any impact on the forecast ? Was the introduction of two models factored in at the earnings announcement in April ?
A16. There is no change in forecast.

Q17. Won't having two models increase cost ? Can you expect the economy of scale with two models ?
A17. We don't have two different models. It is one model with different configuration just like with PCs. Therefore, economy of scale can be pursued.

Q18. When do you expect to start making profit with PS3 business ? It has been reported by Nikkei (dated May 1st) that the "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07." Is it true ?
A18. At the early stage after the launch, PS3 expects losses due to start-up cost, etc. However, there is no change in our business model to make profit from both hardware and software. As we have accomplished with PS2, we aim to make PS3 business profitable as soon as possible, by expanding the platform and continuing our cost down measures by reducing the number of components used in the hardware and cutting the cost of key components including semiconductors. However, it's too early to comment on the timing of the turnaround. We have never told Nikkei that "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07."

Hardware Functions

Q19. Are there any additional or modified features from E3 last year ?
A19. Please refer to the specification sheet for details.

Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

Q21. There were 2 HDMI ports in your original announcement, but why does the 60GB PS3 have only 1 HDMI port ?
A21. Because standardization of image output over the network such as DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) is currently under way, it will become possible to transfer images to multiple displays in ways other than using the HDMI port. It is also possible to connect PSP through the network as a secondary display and enjoy PS3 content remotely (although it depends on the software).

Q22. Can you enjoy progressive images with PS and PS2 titles ?
A22. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts interlace to progressive images (upward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q23. Can you enjoy full HD PS3 software content with a standard TV ?
A23. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts 1080p to 720p (downward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q24. Is 60GB HDD large enough for PS3 ?
A24. 60GB is 3 times the capacity of Xbox360 and at the moment we consider it enough to save online game data as well as to transfer various data from other PCs and CE/AV products. If there is need in the future, it is also possible to upgrade storage capacity by exchanging HDD to Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD available on the market.

Q25. Why isn't 20GB PS3 equipped with Memory Stick/SD Memory card/Compact Flash slots ?
A25. PS3 is a computer system. Storage devices can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q26. The 20GB PS3 does not come with Wi-Fi 802.11, but does this mean that it cannot be connected to PSP ?
A26. Home networking is spreading around the world. With the use of widely available wireless LAN adaptor with USB port, connection to PSP is possible.

Q27. Why did you reduce the number of USB ports from 6 to 4 ?
A27. PS3 is a computer system. Number of ports can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q28. Why did you reduce the number of Ethernet ports from 3 to 1 ?
A28. We had one input (WAN) and two outputs (LAN) in mind, but given that nowadays network connection is spreading within the homes, we considered that one Ethernet connection to a router would be sufficient.

Q29. Will Linux OS be adopted as you have planned ?
A29. Yes. PS3 is a computer system and Linux OS is adopted as one of the standard OSes.

Q30. How much noise reduction level have you achieved ?
A30. Approximately 29dB (A) (equivalent to slim-line PS2).

Controller

Q31. You mention that PS3 adopts a breakthrough six-axis sensing system that lets you control intuitively as if the controller has become part of your body. How does this work ?
A31. "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, plus "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time (no more specific details to be given).

Q32. Why did you change the design of the controller to that of PS and PS2 ?
A32. We received many feedback after E3 last year and created the PS3 controller by refining and improving the world's most popular Playstation controller that shipped more than several hundred million units worldwide, while inheriting its basic concept and design.

Q33. Can the new features be enjoyed with all PS3 titles ?
A33. It depends on the title, but we expect that software developers would proactively make use of the new PS3 controller.

Q34. You say that PS3 provides backward compatibility of PS and PS2 titles, but would you insist that you offer complete backward compatibility even if vibration feature does not work ?
A34. There is no major difference in gameplay even without the vibration feature. We hope a lot of users will support the new PS3 controller with new ways of enjoyment.

Q35. The controllers shown at the booth are all wired, but will the actual product be wireless ?
A35. Yes. We are using wired controllers since there is too much interference with so many wireless devices on the show floor.

Q36. Will PSP be used as a remote controller ?
A36. We will consider the possibility.

PS3 Software

Q37. We hear rumors from software developers that there are not enough development tools being shipped. Is this true ?
A37. As evident with many game titles demonstrated at E3, development of PS3 titles is duty in progress.

Q38. How much is the estimated price range of the software titles for PS3 ? Is it the same price as PS2 ?
A38. As a platform holder, we are not in a position to comment on this. As a first party title developer/publisher, we assume a wider price range since software can be delivered through various media including packaged discs and network.

Q39. Are all titles shown at E3 (press conference and booth) launch titles ?
A39. Many of the playable titles shown at E3 are likely to be released at or around launch. Some titles shown as (demo) video may also become launch titles.

Q40. Do all titles shown at E3 support 1080p ?
A40. "Gran Turismo HD E3 2006" is demonstrated at 1080p with frame rate of 60 frames per second. As for other titles, some are 1080p and some 720p.

Q41. How many launch titles do you expect to have ?
A41. We expect the best launch line-up in history.



Technology

Blu-ray Disc (BD)

The PS3 will be one of the first BD players on the market with full "BD Live" capability (the ability to access the internet from within the disc and download additional content to the player's internal memory - as well as the ability to enjoy unique, "web-enabled" interactive features, such as bringing up web sites, actor information and bios and related topics in windows (picture in picture) whilst continuing to play the main movie.

The marketing tagline for Blu-ray is Beyond High Definition. The key messaging to support this is :

More High-Def Content
90% of major Hollywood studios, the world's two largest music companies, PLAYSTATION 3 and leading gaming companies all support BD. That means more HD movies, more HD concerts, more HD games and more for you !

More Hi-Def Capabilities
Full 1080p resolution, up to 7.1 channels of surround sound, 50GB of storage capacity, real time internet and network connectivity and interactivity and backwards compatibility with existing DVD libraries.

More Hi-Def Products
Over 85% of the leading consumer electronics companies and the four largest PC brands all support BD.

Region Coding

BD region coding is a simplified version of the DVD region coding system. For BD, the regions are :

Region A - USA and Japan
Region B - Europe, Australia and New Zealand and most of the old PAL territories
Region C - Russia and Asia

BDA specifications stipulate that all BD players, including PLAYSTATION 3, must incorporate region coding and will be single region. It is up to content providers whether or not to apply region coding to their content - all PLAYSTATION 3 games will be region free and will therefore play on any PLAYSTATION 3 regardless of where it was bought.

Controller

The technical description of the Controller from the press release is :

"The controller for PS3 employs a breakthrough technology of high-precision, highly sensitive six-axis sensing system that does not require any devices other than the controller itself for seamless interactive operation, thus eliminating additional setting to TVs. With this technology, ways to enjoy PS3 will be further enhanced by accessing PS3 through the network, while retaining the six-axis sensing capability. In addition to "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time. In addition to standard key input available in existing controllers, more natural and more intuitive manipulation will become possible as if the controller has become part of your body."

This is an overly technical description, and there is a need to simplify the USP for consumers in terms of features and benefits. The new PS3 controller employs cutting edge technology and is a major and key element of the overall PS3 package.

What this means for users is :

-- The new controller for PS3 enables the user to direct characters, vehicles, aircraft and other game elements in the Yaw, Pitch and Roll axes (3 of the six axes mentioned above) without the use of the traditional directional buttons.
-- In addition, the controller's sensors can detect acceleration in each of the above axes (providing the remaining 3 axes), allowing the user to determine the speed of movement of the object being controlled.
-- There us no requirement for any additional sensors in front of the display.
-- The new controller will also allow users to freely navigate the PS3 controls as well as access, move around and operate the PS3's navigation system (Cross Media Bar) using the same sensor based control system.
-- PS3 will come with a single controller
-- Up to 8 controllers can be used

Not all "Day 1" games will employ the innovative features of the controller, but over time, every developer will use the features.

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

Software

What about the media reports we have seen suggesting that not all PS2 and PS One titles will be backwards compatible ?
Kutaragi San made clear at the Playstation Business Meeting in March that all titles that complied with the TRC (Technical Requirements Checklist) - essentially a blueprint of how to develop a game on the Playstation platform, would be backwards compatible. Nothing has changed from that statement.

In a few instances, developers have applied short cuts or workrounds in the development process to extract the maximum performance from their games. In some cases, these may be not fully comply with the TRC and additional work may be required to make these titles compatible. Our target nevertheless remains 100% backwards compatibility.

The lack of a vibration function when playing PS One or PS2 games on the PS3 does not affect the gameplay (and we can therefore say that there is full backwards compatibiliy).


SCEE E3 MESSAGING DOCUMENT

This document provides some potentially useful sound bites and perspectives on the announcements to be made at E3. It is not exhaustive, and should be read in conjunction with the PS3 Q&A. The key points about PS3 are :

-- PS3 is being positioned as a computer system, and not a computer entertainment system. Like other computer systems, it can be upgraded through the use of readily available industry standard adaptors.
-- There will therefore be two initial configurations of PS3, not two versions.
-- With the exception of the HDMI socket, every aspect of the 20GB model can be upgraded using readily available, industry standard adaptors.
-- No SCEE decision has yet been taken on the splut of PS3 configurations for the SCEE market.


Hardware

How would you position the difference between the two versions of the PS3 announced this week ?
Firstly, the PS3 is a computer system. There may be two configurations but the key elements are standard - Blu-ray disc, Cell chip, Giga-bit Ethernet to provide an always-on connection to the network, and a pre-installed hard disk drive (HDD) as standard.

The difference between the two versions is more to do with the customer who will buy the PS3. The 60GB HDD version comes fully-equipped to exploit the very latest in HD display technology. It also has a full suite of interfaces (I/O connections), including an HDMI connection which will allow it to support full HD (1080i/1080p) flat panel displays. This version is positioned at the consumer who has either adopted HD, or who is planning tu upgrade to HD display technology in the next few years.

We also recognise that there are many potential PS3 owners out there who are either happy with the quality of their existing TV, or have perhaps recently upgraded to a digital TV and do not plan to upgrade further for the time being - for them an HDMI socket is not essential. For these customers, who will not initially need the PSP/PS3 wireless connectivity, the 20GB version may be more appropriate, and will be better value.

Upgradeability
Like other computer systems, it is possible to upgrade the configuration of the PS3. For both models, it is possible to upgrade the hard disk to any industry standard Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD.

For those with the 20GB version, owners who wish to utilise Memory Stick/SD Memory Card/Compact Flash slots or Wi-Fi 802.11 connectivity to PSP can make use of widely available USB wireless LAN adaptors and other industry standard adaptors. Note : The only non upgradeable element of the 20GB version is the HDMI slot, which can not be added later.

PS3 games will look brilliant on a standard TV, but stunning when viewed on a HD display.

TV Connectivity
The issue of connectivity between the PS3 and the display is very complex and depends on the type of TV (Analog, Digital or HD Ready), the maker of TV (until recently, only Toshiba TVs have component AV connections as standard in Europe, most other Euro TV sets use SCART which can not carry an HD signal) and specification of TV (the very latest HD Ready TV sets have wider connectivity options than earlier HD "capable" TVs from the same manufacturer which may have lacked HDMI), and finally the configuration of the PS3 model purchased.

The issue of which cables to supply with the different configurations of PS3 has yet to be decided.

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#2 2006-07-09 8:12 pm

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So it's a computer.


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#3 2006-07-09 9:59 pm

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I always laugh when Sony drops that "it's a computer system" talking point.

No smurf. Of course it's a smurfing computer. What the hell else would be in that box? Magic, unicorns, fairies, and love sprinkles? The odd thing about video games is that they require, ya know, a computer.

Perhaps they should rename the PS3 the "PS3 VCS" or "PS3 2600."

Now I'm off to type a paper on my Atari.

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#4 2006-07-09 10:55 pm

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Yeah, it's terrific that they're pushing the semantics so hard just for some tax sheltering:

Kotaku wrote:

You might remember Sony trying this before, about six years ago. For the PS2's European launch, Sony made a concerted push to classify it as a computer, not a game console. The reason is because importing game consoles into the EU is a huge tax drain for companies, where as computers are not. Sony was so desperate to get out of paying those multi-million dollar tax bills that they actually released Linux for the PS2, in what has to be the most useless first party title ever except for the fact that it convinced the EU to finally consider the PS2 a computer. It's essentially a Sony tax shelter.

I have no idea if Sony is actually going to go ahead with fragmenting gamers on countless iterations of gaming hardware. I suspect that all of this lip service recently to the PS3 being a computer is being made for only one reason: so Sony can dodge the tax man. Don't be surprised if Linux for the PS3 is announced as a launch title.

But I guess if you plan on taking a several hundred dollar loss on each unit sold, totally underselling potential Blu-Ray partners, and neglecting developers until they scamper like rats from a sinking ship, you'd better be pinching some pennies somewhere.

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#5 2006-07-10 12:32 am

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That makes sense.
Really, any video game console is a "computer." My calculator is a "computer." Yet I imagine the EU, rightfully so, views video game consoles as computers that are really only used for luxury.

This is still pretty ridiculous. A handful of geeks will probably use the PS3 as a Linux PC simply because they want to get Slashdoted or written up on ARS Technica.

Aside from that, I doubt the PS3 is ever going to become as popular as mod'ed original xboxes... or even the 2600.

ughh, Sony.

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#6 2006-07-10 3:38 am

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Sad. I think I saw something recently on the INQ about the 'Computer System' tax dodge... so a year after 360 and weeks after Wii is 'the best launch timing for PS3,' the tagline is 'Beyond High Definition' but the $500 model becomes useless as a Blu-ray player when Hollywood implements the ICT in a year or 3, design and specs weren't final as of May, 'the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today,' they 'expect the best launch line-up in history' and you can have it in any color as long as it's (clear) black. At least Henry Ford would appreciate that last bit.

Some recent comments & opinionating...

Countdown to PlayStation 3
With the PS3 launch just a few months away, JCal recaps recent events and commentary by Sony executives, giving us a context for one of the most exciting and controversial console debates in gaming history.

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/countdown_to_ps3/

Lack of content won't help the launch, either...

Blu-ray launch pushed into 2007, report
Sony got the blues
By INQUIRER staff: Monday 10 July 2006, 08:36

A REPORT claimed that members of the Blu-ray camp, including Pioneer, won't be ready to launch products in Europe until next year.

...

Instead, the Blu-rayers will use the next Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in January to "lay the ground" for a Euro release.

More here. µ

* MEANWHILE Digitimes reports there's a problem producing enough laser diodes for Blu-ray burners, here.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32914

Production woes...

McNealy said: "This is now the most complex box that's ever been built in this industry ... While Sony has certain manufacturing advantages at the end of the day, this is a very complex process, and they're going to be limited to the yields that they can come up with..." and "The number of pieces that are going into this box are even more astounding [than the over 1700 parts used in the Xbox 360]."

While this is hardly surprising news to anyone in the games industry, it's interesting research groups and individuals are already touting that Sony will have a below-target output of the much maligned PS3 console and attempting to play down the market's expectations, way before pre-production begins.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32811

...and Kotaku & the INQ agree on a near-disastrous series of disappointments:

Whatever the case, my sources back up Kotaku almost perfectly. Sony looks to have one heck of an expensive Zepplin launching in the jet age. If they toned down the arrogance a notch or 12, and started engaging the parts of the press that aren't sycophantic suck-ups, they might be able to either get their side out, or blunt the oncoming storm. Sadly, in typical fashion, they go charging ahead while large chunks of the spec sheet peel off and land in the gutter behind their victorious advance. I did so want this console to be good. µ

Oh my. Not good at all. That nearly pegs the negativity meter.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32343


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I wish that this FAQ would be reassuring news for someone in the Sony camp.

Q41. How many launch titles do you expect to have ?
A41. We expect the best launch line-up in history.

...but it sooooo isn't.

We're getting dangerously close to launch time, and they can't even say how many launch title's we'll have? Not even ballpark? Because last year at this time Microsoft gave us ballpark figures. And Nintendo is doing the same right now with a running list of what's definitely coming the day of launch, and what's coming in the launch window.

Also, I didn't know that the PS3 was so bloated on ports before. 3 Ethernet ports, 1 in, two out, essentially building a router into it? 2 HDMI ports? Good heavens. No wonder they couldn't fit everything in the box. wink


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#8 2006-07-10 12:24 pm

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God! roll I hate corporate talk.

I only read part of that long bullsmurf, not all of it. roll

Poor Sony they used to be cool.

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#9 2006-07-10 1:03 pm

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And can someone please explain this bit to me?

Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

To my ignorant, FUD-laced ears, it sounds like the PS3 will be functionally inoperable after 2011 except via the digital/HDMI ouputs? Will later titles/movies somehow not be viewable over the analog outputs, or will the system halt analog output altogether, including pre-2011 titles? What?

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#10 2006-07-10 4:12 pm

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Hollywood (and Sony) are relenting on implementing the ICT/HDCP thing for a few years (they say until 2011), because so few HDTVs, monitors and videocards have the full Monty to display DRMed HD content. After a few years, tho, they'll start putting it in, so content will either down-res to DVD resolution, or the screen will just go black, depending on their whim. Of course, if HD picks up faster than expected, they could renege and start implementing that DRM earlier... either way, after a few years or so, that $500 Blu-ray player will degrade into a BD player that shows DVD-quality at best on new content manufactured after that point. Only the $600 model with the HDMI connector will keep functioning at full quality. Content manu'ed before 2011 or so will be unaffected, but Spiderman 8- 720x480, or nothing- their call.


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#11 2006-07-10 7:26 pm

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Bat wrote:

DRM, HD, etc

What happened to letting the standards board come up with a specification for this stuff before it starts getting implemented?
All we're getting out of Sony and the Blu-ray fiasco is another proprietary format that's going to end up being vastly incompatible with earlier versions of itself and players in only a few years' time.
As far as I'm concerned, Blu-ray is already dead blotto
It showed so much promise, too.
Long live HD-DVD.


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#12 2006-07-10 9:09 pm

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This is really shaping up to be the blunder of the century.

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Earendil the Mariner wrote:

Bat wrote:

DRM, HD, etc

What happened to letting the standards board come up with a specification for this stuff before it starts getting implemented?
All we're getting out of Sony and the Blu-ray fiasco is another proprietary format that's going to end up being vastly incompatible with earlier versions of itself and players in only a few years' time.
As far as I'm concerned, Blu-ray is already dead blotto
It showed so much promise, too.
Long live HD-DVD.

Something like this- slightly, not too, dated; just a few details different since then. Essentially...

Q: Did we learn from VHS vs. Betamax?

A: No.

The Big Fat High-Def Interview

How to screw everything up and still succeed

By Martin Lynch: Wednesday 05 April 2006, 10:31

THEM: We've finally cracked it and developed high density disc technology.
Us: Hurray.
Them: This will allow for amazing storage capacity and the creation of super high-resolution movies, twice as good as DVD and four times better than TV.
Us: Double Hurray.
Them: However, there are two competing disc formats.
Us: Huh?
Them: Yes. Blu Ray and HD DVD.
Us: Why?
Them: Er, because we're greedy.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30780


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#14 2006-07-11 12:18 am

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There's an old adage: never try out a new recipe when company's coming over.

So what does Sony do?  New optical technolgoy, new processor technology, new video output technology, new development tools.

Yeah, that'll be easy.

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#15 2006-07-11 12:22 am

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reefdog wrote:

And can someone please explain this bit to me?

Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

To my ignorant, FUD-laced ears, it sounds like the PS3 will be functionally inoperable after 2011 except via the digital/HDMI ouputs? Will later titles/movies somehow not be viewable over the analog outputs, or will the system halt analog output altogether, including pre-2011 titles? What?

Games will still work, but movies may not.

I predict that how some people have to use RF modulators now, they're going to have HDCP-simulators later to give the older HDTV using people some way to get the his-res content off their movies. This would defeat the purpose of HDCP, but I don't see how they have a choice. A lot of HDTVs are still going to be being used in 2011 that don't support HDCP.


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#16 2006-07-11 4:43 am

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mo' ron wrote:

Games will still work, but movies may not.

Sure, games should work. They're not protected by the same mechanism as HD movies will be.

I predict that how some people have to use RF modulators now, they're going to have HDCP-simulators later to give the older HDTV using people some way to get the his-res content off their movies. This would defeat the purpose of HDCP, but I don't see how they have a choice. A lot of HDTVs are still going to be being used in 2011 that don't support HDCP.

Doesn't matter, and it won't work. There won't be a HD signal to modulate or otherwise transmit.

The PS3s without HDMI will have videocards that lack the key element that likewise keep all but a handful of the most recent videocards from playing future protected content. The scandal first broke with this article, AFAIK:

Well, what about NVIDIA? They were actually very direct: “The boards themselves must be designed with an extra chip when the board is manufactured. The extra chip stores a crypto key, and you cannot retrofit an existing board after the board is produced.”

Wow. You can pick your favorite expletive.

The Great HDCP Fiasco, page 3.

When the Image Constraint Token is implemented, the G7xs onboard the HDCP-less PS3s will sense the ICT's presence and refuse to decode in HD, either down-rezzing or going black (likely the former).


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#17 2006-07-11 12:59 pm

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I want some sort of rumble thing. Even if it's just a little box I put my foot on.

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#18 2006-07-11 1:38 pm

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Bat wrote:

I predict that how some people have to use RF modulators now, they're going to have HDCP-simulators later to give the older HDTV using people some way to get the his-res content off their movies. This would defeat the purpose of HDCP, but I don't see how they have a choice. A lot of HDTVs are still going to be being used in 2011 that don't support HDCP.

Doesn't matter, and it won't work. There won't be a HD signal to modulate or otherwise transmit.

The PS3s without HDMI will have videocards that lack the key element that likewise keep all but a handful of the most recent videocards from playing future protected content. The scandal first broke with this article, AFAIK:

Ahh, I see... I was thinking the HDMI PS3s to TVs with HDMI, but not HDCP.

Wow, that does suck.

I bet they'll be a software hack to play the video in full HD though, but it still sucks for those people who don't care to find it on the shadier areas of the Internet.


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#19 2006-07-11 1:53 pm

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Well, seeing as it is a computer and all...

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#20 2006-07-11 3:15 pm

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mo' ron wrote:

Wow, that does suck.

We have a winner.


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#21 2006-07-11 4:00 pm

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Hamster wrote:

I want some sort of rumble thing. Even if it's just a little box I put my foot on.

I recall a PS2 accessory that came with some "rhythm shooter" that came with a vibrator that plugged passthrough through the controller port.


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#22 2006-07-11 9:22 pm

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Phydeaux wrote:

Hamster wrote:

I want some sort of rumble thing. Even if it's just a little box I put my foot on.

I recall a PS2 accessory that came with some "rhythm shooter" that came with a vibrator that plugged passthrough through the controller port.

Rez. A really really really awesome game. With or without drugs wink

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#23 2006-07-13 8:30 am

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Incredibly, defying all odds... it gets worse.

PS3 Cell yields are in the toilet

Semicon West 2006 Will we ever see a PS3?

By Charlie Demerjian in San Francisco: Wednesday 12 July 2006, 15:43

REMEMBER WHEN WE said that Cell yields were in the toilet?

Remember the fanboi brigade with more Internet access than either brains or common sense? They howled that it couldn't be true because their ego is staked on the PS3 that they will someday have. It just can't be happening. Well, we wonder if they will believe IBM Semiconductor VPs?

One of these pointed out that Cell yields are in the 10-20 per cent range. With logic redundancy (translation: 'PS3 buyers only need seven SPEs [Synergistic Processing Elements], more would just be too much for such simple creatures'), they can double that. This suggests yields of 20-40 per cent.

Intel would have a hit squad sent off to deal with production execs if one merely cracked a joke about 70 per cent yields, and I can't see how 40 per cent will ever make the PS3 economically viable.

Once this gets out, look for a triumphant Sony exec to tell us about how it may be slow and de-featured, but the PS3 will be reassuringly expensive, and profits are for lesser companies. Besides, we mere mortals just don't get what Sony is trying to gift us with, DRM infected lock in.

Me, I am still trying to justify a 360 at half the price, available now. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32978

...on top of

Nvidia anticipates big bucks from Playstation 3 deal

Sony was -and still is - desperate

By Fuad Abazovic: Thursday 13 July 2006, 10:27

A YEAR AND A HALF ago, Sony asked Nvidia to provide a graphics chip to power its PS3 console, after the graphic performance of its own complex Cell chippery proved pretty disastrous.

Having got itself in a bit of a pickle, Sony didn’t have much choice other than turn to Nvidia. Microsoft and Nintendo were already working with ATI for the chips for their graphics consoles. There was nowhere else to turn.

Nvidia told Sony that its best chip for the job would be its G71 - a G70 manufactured on 90 nanometre process - and that it would be able deliver the volumes of these chips by shipping date.

And, knowing the bind Sony was in, Nvidia was able to extract a great price from the Japanese giant, our sources claim.

Nvidia has been solidly producing G71 chips for a quarter now and many of these chips are reserved for Sony. The mighty Sony might be set to launch its console by the end of the year and Nvidia will have to ramp as many chips as Sony needs.

According to our whisperers, is that instead of two to three bucks per RSX, G71 chip, which is Nvidia's usual rate, Nvidia got seven - or more - bucks per chip. It means that Nvidia really wants to sell its G71 chips to Sony and that it will be making much more money on the consoles than ATI with its Xenos chip for the Xbox.

And Nvidia has plans to shrink the G71 die to 65 nanometres in the second half of 2007. That will allow it to make even more money on the chips, as you can put more 65 nanometre chips on a 300 millimetre wafer.

So suddenly, after finding the troubles with Cell became a blessing for Nvidia, the graphics chip firm will now be praying Sony can ship its Playstation 3 consoles on time, or thereabouts. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33001

The PS2/3's designer has been described as a mad genius. Graphics on Cell itself..? I'm sure about that first part now. And positive it will be reassuringly expensive for all involved, save nVidia.

They better be working on PS4 right now, and reassure us they were joking about the PS3's 10-year lifespan. Books, pass Sony the awesome designer drugs; they need one (awesome designer, that is).


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#24 2006-07-13 9:20 am

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*points at Sony*


lol

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#25 2006-07-13 1:08 pm

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Well. I'm just glad us Nintendo Fanbois and Microsoft Fanbois are holding hands and uniting in song over this.

It's just so damned crazy.

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