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Well, mine correctly uses "affect" instead of misusing "effect."  You can tell them apart that way.

bratboy wrote:

Well, mine correctly uses "affect" instead of misusing "effect."  You can tell them apart that way.

Maybe he really meant "effect".

Effect (def):  verb to bring about.

Are they about to invade N. America?  Regime change?

"Nothing else in the world...not all the armies...is so powerful as an idea whose time has come." -- Victor Hugo

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I would suggest the 'idea whose time has come' in this case is that much of the electorate thinks we should end our involvement and exit this quagmire ASAP. It is doing no good; our folks are dying daily, and Iraqis are running a defacto civil war, killing many otherwise innocent countrymen.

Polls indicate a large portion of the American populace has this idea. It may take some time for a sufficient number of their representatives to find their way to this same idea.
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Shay is one of 3 incumbent CT (R) House members who are facing tough reelection campaigns. Oh, and the CT junior Senator (allegedly a (D)) is finding himself facing a primary electoral abyss as well.

I can guarantee that media outlets like Fox News that have been nice to the right will be running a lot of pieces that are positive on Iraq. I can also guarantee that un-named media outlets will be running a lot of pieces that are negative on Iraq.

In fact - it has already started.

Fox News very recently did an interview piece with the soldier who wrote the book about the 13 year old Iraqi boy who was the son of an Iraqi fighting against America and the new Iraq. The boy wanted piece, and went to the military turning himself in for things he had done under order from his father, and told them where they could catch his father.

They also recently did a story on the soldier in Afghanistan who was accused of massacreing civilians, and how when everything was said and done, it was revealed that the soldier who made the accusation had made it falsely because he had a grudge against the accused soldier.

Expect a lot more of these kinds of stories to be run on Fox News, and quite likely coupled with media bites showing the "other" media running with the false information.

Who will win the media propoganda war on Iraq? Who knows.

Sternum wrote:

Expect a lot more of these kinds of stories to be run on Fox News, and quite likely coupled with media bites showing the "other" media running with the false information.

So you're saying that the stories of two individuals makes up for a destroyed nation, tens of thousands of people killed, billions and billions of wasted dollars, and an oncoming genocide that could very well rival Rwanda?

That isn't what he said or the point he was trying to make.

Do you remember a few years ago, the summer of the shark attacks?
Nothing on the news but shark attacks.
Tourism was down, people were scared.
Truth was there were less attacks that year than normal.
Anyone who doubts the media has great power over public perception, a public that only knows what it tells them, is a fool.
Rez was pointing out a different agenda in news outlets trying to sway that public opinion.

CIA being blocked from investigating Iraq by Negroponte

http://www.harpers.org/sb-sources-negro … 33546.html 

I reported in May that despite the deteriorating situation in Iraq, no National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) has been produced on that country since the summer of 2004. The last NIE, a classified document that the CIA describes as “the most authoritative written judgment concerning a national security issue,” was rejected by the Bush Administration (after being leaked to the New York Times) as being too negative, though its grim assessment subsequently proved to be highly accurate.

The situation has gotten even darker since my initial story—a United Nations report cited in Wednesday's New York Times found that an average of more than 100 Iraqi civilians were killed each day in June—and I've learned from two sources that some senior figures at the CIA, along with a number of Iraq analysts, have been pushing to produce a new NIE. They've been stonewalled, however, by John Negroponte, the administration's Director of National Intelligence, who knows that any honest take on the situation would produce an NIE even more pessimistic than the 2004 version. That could create problems on the Hill and, if it is leaked as the last one was, with the public as well....

The sources said that forces at the CIA have been lobbying for the new NIE for about six months.

A third source, a former CIA officer who served in Iraq, said he had no direct knowledge of Negroponte blocking the NIE but that it jibed with past practice. “The NIE is a crucial document . . . that tells you how to tweak your policy,” he said. “That's hard to do if you don't want to look at it.” He said he had two recent conversations with people in Iraq, one an official at the Ministry of Interior who told him that as of two days ago there were 1,600 bodies piled up at the central morgue in Baghdad. The second conversation, he said, was with an Iraqi general officer who told him, “I never thought I would see my capital like this. It's on fire.”

Maybe, it will affect the election 

Here's a sarcastic haiku on re-electing a politician Frank Murkowski of Alaska 

We say we want change

when we really want ka-ching

four more years for Frank  [url=http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7988698p-7881638c.html]link

Oh yeah, I want more of the same.  More war, less science, more Halliburton, low minimum wage, more domestic spying, increasing poverty in the US.

Farmerkev wrote:

Do you remember a few years ago, the summer of the shark attacks?
Nothing on the news but shark attacks.
Tourism was down, people were scared.
Truth was there were less attacks that year than normal.
Anyone who doubts the media has great power over public perception, a public that only knows what it tells them, is a fool.
Rez was pointing out a different agenda in news outlets trying to sway that public opinion.

Sharks attacks = Iraq?

sad.

Sternum wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Sternum wrote:

So you're saying that the stories of two individuals makes up for a destroyed nation, tens of thousands of people killed, billions and billions of wasted dollars, and an oncoming genocide that could very well rival Rwanda?

That isn't what he said or the point he was trying to make.

He seems to be suggesting that news organizations that report on the general lack of progress in Iraq -- the outrageous cost, the rising tide of violence, and lawlessness of the region -- are being less reputable than news organizations that opt to devote time to the stories of the two individuals he mentioned.

The fact is, those stories, although interesting, are meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and have no effect on the scope of current events. The human interest stories of two individuals can't soften the blow to the misery, madness, and mass mayhem that's a direct result of the U.S.'s actions in the Iraq.

There are many more stories of such things out there and not just human interest but actual progress, you just dont hear about them because all the focus of "other" stations is on the bad, which is I think was res was pointing out.

Steyr AUG wrote:

There are many more stories of such things out there and not just human interest but actual progress, you just dont hear about them because all the focus of "other" stations is on the bad, which is I think was res was pointing out.

Is any of that actual progress happening in Baghdad, the largest city in Iraq ?

Steyr AUG wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

There are many more stories of such things out there and not just human interest but actual progress, you just dont hear about them because all the focus of "other" stations is on the bad, which is I think was res was pointing out.

Is any of that actual progress happening in Baghdad, the largest city in Iraq ?

Of course

Any specific examples or types of progress ?

Wait...you don't mean progress to a full-blown civil war, do you ?