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#1 2006-07-24 9:51 pm
Why women don't leave...
Why don't women leave abusive husbands? There are enough programs in place, enough ways to get help, right?
Well, I'm in the process of divorcing my husband and I've learned a lot. Keep your pity, he never put me in the hospital or anything that severe. He was controlling, and had a history of shoving me, threw me against the wall a few times and to the ground once. Nothing major. (Yes, I know... spare me the lecture please.)
So here's what I learned. They tell you to open a bank account in your own name and keep it separate from his so you can have emergency funds and a means of escape. But, if he gets that account information somehow, he can use it to make electronic payments out of your account without your authorization. That's not check fraud because the assets in the account are all marital property, and the means of accessing those assets don't matter.
In the same vein, if he wants to take your car and HIDE it from you (drive it a few towns away, park it in some sister's cousin's friend's garage, and not tell you where it is), he can do that. Even if it means you can't get to work. Even if it means you can't get to your attorney's office. Even if it means you can't get back to see your kids. He can do that, because its marital property. Yay!
Then, when you buy a vehicle in your own name so you can move on and get back and forth to work and such, he can steal the key out of your pocket and you can't make him give it back! Yay! Even though you bought it after the divorce was filed, even though its only in your name, he still gets full access to it because, yes, its marital property! Woo hoo!
Then, when he gets really petty and keys the van as he walks by, takes your guitar and your work shoes and puts them in HIS truck (which you don't have keys to because YOU are *afraid* to steal keys from his pockets) to keep them from you, pokes you incessantly to keep you from sleeping so you're rested for your 12hour midnight shift, gets into your van and takes the receipts and original divorce papers and logs you've been keeping of all his crap, you just have to TAKE IT! Because, yes friends, it is all marital property.
I'm told its not like this in all states. I'm told some states have laws protecting spouses from harassment of this type and abuses of property rights. Alas, I am not in one of those states. Having subjected you to reading this though, I do feel just a tiny bit better.
And how come everytime I go to type 'marital' my fingers type 'martial' instead?
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#2 2006-07-24 10:23 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Heh,
Try being a guy married to an abusive woman.
Not only is there no support system in place you cant tell anyone because either people dont believe a woman can be abusive or they just think an abused man is funny.
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#3 2006-07-24 10:47 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
I'm with Pariah on this one also.
physical abuse isn't the only kind.
rule #1, #2 and #3
file first.
document everything.
see the first two rules.
life is short.. if you ain't happy where you are, leave.
and yes, it's that simple.
my kid are the only thing that was/is irreplaceable from the marriage.
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#4 2006-07-24 10:50 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't just physically leave. You must have had some friend or relative that would've let you stay with them. If someone was doing something as insane as sleep deprivation, I would've slept on the couch of anyone who would've taken me. And I would definitely let any of my friends who were in your situation crash on my couch for a few weeks.
Please, I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just asking. Either way, I'm glad you're getting out now.
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#6 2006-07-24 10:56 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Pariah wrote:
Heh,
Try being a guy married to an abusive woman.
Not only is there no support system in place you cant tell anyone because either people dont believe a woman can be abusive or they just think an abused man is funny.
Indeed, my cousin's husband has horrible problems with his ex. She abused all three of their kids, possibly him too (I don't know) and one of the kids was a juvenile diabetic, and she would do stuff like give her normal coke to drink. The child services in NJ is horribly weighted towards the mother, even one as negligent as this one. She doesn't spend the child support on the one remaining child who is going off to college this year. All three of the kids now want nothing to do with the mom, the middle daughter is pregnant and just had a baby shower, the mom was invited to show up, and she refused to because my cousin would be there.
The most interesting thing is, the way this woman acts, you would think that my cousin broke up their marriage. Except, they've been divorced since the youngest was born, and my cousin and her husband got married 8 or so years ago. I'm glad I never met her. They're currently trying to get the youngest daughter emancipated so that they won't end up paying child support to this woman, when the daughter is never coming back, and the mother isn't going to pay any part of her college education.
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#7 2006-07-24 11:29 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
justine wrote:
You can't make someone understand that hasn't been there.
lies.
This is what art is for and why it is so important for society.
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#8 2006-07-24 11:37 pm
Re: Why women don't leave...
soulcrusher wrote:
justine wrote:
You can't make someone understand that hasn't been there.
lies.
This is what art is for and why it is so important for society.
While important,
Experiencing something is different from living in it.
Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.
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#9 2006-07-25 1:53 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Phydeaux wrote:
soulcrusher wrote:
justine wrote:
You can't make someone understand that hasn't been there.
lies.
This is what art is for and why it is so important for society.While important,
Experiencing something is different from living in it.
lol.. I think its the same... do you mean expressing?
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#10 2006-07-25 2:10 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Moreta wrote:
Why don't women leave abusive husbands?
Staying in an abusive relationship is typically an issue of psychology, not feasibility.
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#11 2006-07-25 3:44 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
This marital property sounds properly messed up. Is this the setup across the entire US?
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#12 2006-07-25 6:57 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:
This marital property sounds properly messed up. Is this the setup across the entire US?
nope
TX and LA aren't.
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#13 2006-07-25 9:29 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Well the jaded part of me says because women like it, who wants a reasonable emotionally mature and stable (read boring) guy when you can have the excitement of never knowing when your going to have the crap knocked out of you from the proverbial bad boy......girlies do like those bad boys
The rational part of me says it all has to do with psychology, specifically the psychological aspect of self worth and self esteem. People male or female who put up with abuse from their spouse generally have a very poor self image and self esteem…….
Of course this is just me talking out my arse, and my belief that the reason people have make fun of/point out or physically harm other people is because it takes the “lights”/attention off them and their poor self worth/esteem problems……..
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#14 2006-07-25 9:50 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
I have long wondered why people don't leave abusive relationships, and why they get into them. Many times, you can tell that the relationship is going to be abusive when someone says things like "Well, he (or she) is nice when he isn't drinking." and the like. If you are dating someone and they are abusive, they will always be abusive. I am glad you are getting out, and I hope things work out for you. Here in Wisconsin, we do have that marital property law, so everything you own also belongs to your spouse, except inheritance, but only if it is kept separate from the joint accounts. I don't have first hand experience with this, but I have seen people in abusive relationships and it pains me to see that. My sister works for an attorney who is partnered with a divorce attorney, and she sees that all the time.
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#15 2006-07-25 11:17 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
My sister in law asked my brother to move out months ago and he never did, so she finally left him this past week. She's very abusive verbally and physically. He has a temper, too, and has slapped her once after she hit him, which she does a lot and he's only retaliated the once. (That's the way, I heard the story, anyways...I'm sure the judge will hear it another way from her.) She took the car, took some of his clothing that she liked to wear, and took a quilt made for him by our now deceased grandmother just because she knows he's sentimental about it.
He's been in denial about it and still wants to work things out. Despite that everytime I see him, he's got new bruises and their children (ages 3 and 4) will say things like "F you" and "go to H" because she cusses my brother out in front them. I guess he's just so emotionally dependent on her, he felt that having a bad relationship was better than having none at all. Now, he's left with an empty apartment and an empty heart.
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#16 2006-07-26 3:49 am
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Moreta wrote:
And how come everytime I go to type 'marital' my fingers type 'martial' instead?
In spite of the fact that 90% of everything I post on these forums is snark, I really do wish you the best of luck. I mean that.
Have you considered that maybe this is an opportunity for you to lobby for change in the law? Write letters to your state representatives and the local newspaper. Call your local TV station's investigative reporter and see if you can get them on the story. A lot of serious change starts with one pissed off, intelligent person, and you count for both. It may not help you, but you can help others.
I wouldn't worry about typing "martial" instead of "marital" given that you're one of about 10 people in the country who can correctly spell "separate."
I'm on your side, for what it's worth.
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#17 2006-07-26 8:49 am
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Yeah, perhaps if you're willing to share your story, you can make it easier for others in the future.
Best wishes, Moreta. Hang in there.
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#18 2006-07-26 6:05 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
macnuke wrote:
Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:
This marital property sounds properly messed up. Is this the setup across the entire US?
nope
TX and LA aren't.
TX has their own set of issues with regards to parents/kids. Like how the court system doesn't understand why a mother doesn't want to send her child to see a father where a loaded shut gun was found COCKED.
This was reported by the guy's current wife (who was trying to divorce him at the time).
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#19 2006-07-26 6:27 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
I agree with jondaris.
Take this to the papers, the state, the local news station. Embarass the smurf out of that smurf who made your life a living hell.
I wish you the best of luck. Hang in there.
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#20 2006-07-26 6:35 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
MacBoy4139 wrote:
macnuke wrote:
Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:
This marital property sounds properly messed up. Is this the setup across the entire US?
nope
TX and LA aren't.TX has their own set of issues with regards to parents/kids. Like how the court system doesn't understand why a mother doesn't want to send her child to see a father where a loaded shut gun was found COCKED.
This was reported by the guy's current wife (who was trying to divorce him at the time).
I would definitely have a problem with any firearm that wasn't locked in a gunsafe with or without kids around.
In any home.
btw.. my divorce was in Houston courts.... so i know a bit about procedure there. 
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#21 2006-07-27 11:11 am
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jondaris wrote:
Moreta wrote:
And how come everytime I go to type 'marital' my fingers type 'martial' instead?
…I wouldn't worry about typing "martial" instead of "marital" given that you're one of about 10 people in the country who can correctly spell "separate."
I'm on your side, for what it's worth.
Amen. Not to derail, but that and "definate" really irk me to no end.
As for Moreta's situation, the good part is that you're on your way out of this abuse. Keep your chin up, and know that there are support systems for you if you look hard enough, although in a perfect world, you shouldn't have to work for that kind of support. And really, do what you can to let the world know what a complete douche this husband of yours is being. "Criminal" doesn't even begin to cover this kind of abuse.
Buena suerte.
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#22 2006-07-27 2:00 pm
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Re: Why women don't leave...
Gracias, notJames et al.
Once I finally get through this (and am undoubtedly paying HIM alimony believe it or not, since he has refused to work for the last six years and gets to claim to be a 'stay at home dad' in court), I fully intend to expose the lengths to which a spouse can go without being in the slightest danger of facing consequences.
Alas, unless it becomes more sensational than it is, I doubt it will get much attention. But I'm surely going to try. No one should have to deal with this kind of harassment.
Thanks for the support, folks.
Sigh. Wrong login.
This was me, Moreta. 
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#23 2006-07-27 5:08 pm
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How did the saying go?
Ah, yes.
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