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punkgeek wrote:

Oh, lord...what I said was tongue in cheek.

There's enough history of anti-Semitism in Christianity. I find it ironic that fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews.

As I mentioned earlier, they're not on the side of the Jews. They just believe that the Jews have to occupy Jerusalem etc. in order for Jesus to come again.

They view the Jews as tools to bring about the end of the world.

punkgeek wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

punkgeek wrote:

Oh, lord...what I said was tongue in cheek.

There's enough history of anti-Semitism in Christianity. I find it ironic that fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews.

As I mentioned earlier, they're not on the side of the Jews. They just believe that the Jews have to occupy Jerusalem etc. in order for Jesus to come again.

They view the Jews as tools to bring about the end of the world.

Ah, so they're exploiting them. Even better!

Yeah, but we still control the banks. The fundies only think they're exploiting us.

Tallgeese wrote:

All you Jew money won't do any good when the smiting comes!

Just hurry up and get it over with so us athiests can rule over Earth's charred remains in Road Warrior-esque bike gangs. "Who rules Barter Town? Sternum rules Barter Town!"

punkgeek wrote:

Oh, lord...what I said was tongue in cheek.

There's enough history of anti-Semitism in Christianity. I find it ironic that fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews.

Anti-semitism is wrong, and it always has been - just like any form of racial prejudice is wrong.
The early church in the Bible was not anti-semetic, despite what secular scholars want to say.

First of all, the apostles that started the church were Jewish. Secondly, Acts records that many of the early christians were of the opinion that gentiles had to become Jews before they could become christian!

The Jerusalem Council found otherwise, as salvation comes by grace and not works.

Now - there was anti-semitism in some of the later generations. There certainly was by the time Rome was dictating the religion. But there always have been christians that are not anti-semetic, and the anti-semetic christians are clearly in the wrong with respect to the Bible.

The fact that you find it ironic that "fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews" indicates to me that perhaps you have a rather narrow mind about christianity, and believe the propoganda that has been preached by secular scholars rather than talking to christians and finding out the truth straight from christianity itself.

resedit wrote:

The fact that you find it ironic that "fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews" indicates to me that perhaps you have a rather narrow mind about christianity, and believe the propoganda that has been preached by secular scholars rather than talking to christians and finding out the truth straight from christianity itself.

"Secular scholars?" Have you ever listened to Falwell, Robertson, or any of the mainstream American Christians? For decades, they've been put the hate on the Jews. That's why their sudden support of Israel is so hard to swallow.

Last edited by Sternum (2006-07-28 12:10 pm)

Sternum wrote:

resedit wrote:

The fact that you find it ironic that "fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews" indicates to me that perhaps you have a rather narrow mind about christianity, and believe the propoganda that has been preached by secular scholars rather than talking to christians and finding out the truth straight from christianity itself.

"Secular scholars?" Have you ever listened to Falwell, Robertson, or any of the mainstream American Christians? For decades, they've been put the hate on the Jews. That's why their sudden support of Israel is so hard to swallow.

I don't know what Falwell says, but can you find any anti-semetic statement by Robertson?
I know Robertson has said a lot of crazy things, but I don't think he ever has been anti-semetic.

resedit wrote:

Sternum wrote:

resedit wrote:

The fact that you find it ironic that "fundies especially are suddenly on the side of the Jews" indicates to me that perhaps you have a rather narrow mind about christianity, and believe the propoganda that has been preached by secular scholars rather than talking to christians and finding out the truth straight from christianity itself.

"Secular scholars?" Have you ever listened to Falwell, Robertson, or any of the mainstream American Christians? For decades, they've been put the hate on the Jews. That's why their sudden support of Israel is so hard to swallow.

I don't know what Falwell says, but can you find any anti-semetic statement by Robertson?
I know Robertson has said a lot of crazy things, but I don't think he ever has been anti-semetic.

In his 1991 book "New World Order" he talks about the Jewish Banker Conspiracy to destroy Western Christian culture and civilization.

Tallgeese wrote:

Okay, since when are Falwell or Robertson "mainstream?"

Love 'em or leave 'em, they represent the largest, fastest growing, and most politically powerful segment of Christians in America. That's mainstream.

They represent the loudest and most powerful, but not the majority. Mainstream usually means 'majority' not 'loudest.' Is "mainstream American politics" represented by moveon.org or newsmax?

bedstuy wrote:

Well sure, the Bible says all nations are descended from Abraham.

As Steinbeck so wonderfully pointed out, we are all decendents of Cain.  I think that that says more about whom we are than any later breaks in the lineage.

Click my signature line for more, if you don't know what the heck I'm talking about.

StaticAge wrote:

Hank Rearden wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Well sure, the Bible says all nations are descended from Abraham.

As Steinbeck so wonderfully pointed out, we are all decendents of Cain.  I think that that says more about whom we are than any later breaks in the lineage.

Click my signature line for more, if you don't know what the heck I'm talking about.

Steinbeck was wrong though. Seth was Adam and Eve's son who was the forefather of Noah.

But the timshel bit is dead on, imo.

No doubt there was some mixing of Cain's line with Seth's, I should think.

Anyhow, timshel is where it's at, one way or the other.

resedit wrote:

Hank Rearden wrote:

No doubt there was some mixing of Cain's line with Seth's, I should think.

Anyhow, timshel is where it's at, one way or the other.

Does it really matter?

One of Noah's quite probably had relations with Noah's wife.

Ham saw the nakedness of Noah - there's a good arguement that that means he took advantage of Noah's wife (who may or may not have been his mother) while Noah (and probably his wife) were drunk with wine.

Certainly the lines of Noah's sons, all of them, got mixed into our current gene pool.

Just...timshel.  OK?