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#1 2006-07-31 1:53 am
Opinions: AIO Printers
My Epson Stylus CX4600 is no longer printing. (Apparently the heads are irrecoverably clogged.) I'm currently in the market for a replacement. (Given the fact I rarely print but often scan I have a little bit of time before I have to buy a replacement.) I'm looking for an an all-in-one since space is a premium and I'm on a quite limited budget. My two most immediate choices are a HP Photosmart c3140 All-in-one ($90) and a Lexmark X-7170 ($100). Both supposedly print can and copy and are capable of photo quality prints. The HP is slightly cheaper, has cheaper ink, it's smaller, and has an integrated card reader but my last HP AIO was a less than ideal experience (in the end it took about 5 minutes per page to print anything). The Lexmark has an integrated fax (which will be good when I eventually replace my old iMac however if I really need it I can get a USB modem) but I know very little about it's actual quality. I'd like any input has on each model. I'm also open to other options available for me.
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#2 2006-07-31 5:38 am
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I would go with the HP. Their OS X drivers are better than the Windows ones (at least when it comes to setup). I love my HP AIO - it's color laser though.
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#3 2006-07-31 7:44 am
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Go with HP because it's not Lexmark.
Something about a company that uses the slogan 'uncomplicate' that is a bit disconcerting as it's not a word. It's also a more complex way of saying 'simplify'.
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#4 2006-07-31 8:26 am
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HP stuff is generally pretty good. Lexmark, not so much.
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#5 2006-07-31 8:36 am
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Brother MFC-210C. Budget individual ink tanks for the win.
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#6 2006-07-31 9:21 am
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I will just toss in that inkjets in general are going to be a source of frustration if you dont use them very often. It's just their nature to get clogged and splotchy if you often go weeks between a print.
At least thats my experience.
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#7 2006-07-31 9:30 am
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Mine too. That's why I'm looking at getting a cheap laser printer.
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#8 2006-07-31 10:00 am
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Keep in mind this isn't a dismissal, fido. I plan on weighing all the options too death until I get the cash for the replacement printer together (openly at first but privately after I've gather as much info as reasonably possible). It's certainly a nice suite with both the fax and card reader and the printer price is certainly in the right range. The multiple ink cartridges sound good in theory but my experiences with the Epson suggest that maybe I'm not the target audience for that. I invariably had to replace all the cartridges in very rapid succession if not simultaneously with the ink cost adding up to slightly more than combo tanks. I'm also unable to find a Brother MFC-210C locally. Still I'd appreciate any input on the interface and print quality (links to screenshots are helpful if you feel like it).
Pariah wrote:
I will just toss in that inkjets in general are going to be a source of frustration if you dont use them very often. It's just their nature to get clogged and splotchy if you often go weeks between a print.
At least thats my experience.
It's my experience as well. I've looked into laser printers as an alternative and as much as I really, really, really like them (wipes drool off chin), the ones with the features I want and need are far too expensive and far too big & bulky for my current situation. I settled on a plan to arranging a weekly print to maintain quality. It's also the big reason I'm avoiding Epsons and their integrated printheads.
By the way what's known about these Vivera inks? How do they stack up against regular inkjet inks? How do they compare against Epson DURABrite inks?
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#9 2006-07-31 10:31 am
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What features do you need in your printer?
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#10 2006-07-31 10:47 am
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Foremost Mac compatibility, at the very least rudimentary scanning is a must, and I occasionally need to make color prints. Other than that my biggest considerations are cost, size, and weight. I'm dealing with a fixed income and an upstairs bedroom/office area the size of a crowded efficiency (not to mention an iffy shoulder).
I know a separate scanner would probably yield better quality but I honestly just don't have the room for one and a printer both.
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#11 2006-07-31 1:10 pm
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I'd go HP, even though I hate them at the moment. (Just had to buy a new colour cartridge)
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#12 2006-07-31 1:14 pm
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ScifiterX wrote:
Foremost Mac compatibility, at the very least rudimentary scanning is a must, and I occasionally need to make color prints. Other than that my biggest considerations are cost, size, and weight. I'm dealing with a fixed income and an upstairs bedroom/office area the size of a crowded efficiency (not to mention an iffy shoulder).
I know a separate scanner would probably yield better quality but I honestly just don't have the room for one and a printer both.
Ah, the color thing will knock out any affordable laser printers.
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#14 2006-07-31 2:27 pm
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I like my HP PSC 1209, I have had it for over a year and am still running on the original cartridges. I am also a infrequent printer and have had no problems whatsoever.
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#16 2006-07-31 8:33 pm
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Canon = seconded. I have an iP4000 photo printer of theirs, and it's amazing. Very fast, crisp prints, and zero problems after 1.5+ years.
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#17 2006-07-31 9:00 pm
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I have a Brother MFC-640CW sitting, wirelessly (which is built in), on my network. I've been pretty happy with it. The wireless scanning is not as "Mac-like" as I would like and after coming back from a long trip I had to cycle it on/off before I could print. Otherwise it just sits off in the corner till I call on it.
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#18 2006-08-01 12:09 am
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Can I see some interface screenshots for the Canon as well? The MP170 looks nice but sadly it's also a non-local model but the MP160 is sold in at least a couple places around here. Not being found locally isn't a deal breaker but I'm far more likely to buy locally than to ordering something of this nature.
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#19 2006-08-01 7:02 am
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I've had some serious issues with my HP AIO. It's a wireless network printer, though, so my setup headaches are probably irrelevant, assuming the HP you're looking at is USB. (IN fact, when the printer's network connection goes out, we've had no trouble hooking it up via USB, so that's a good sign for you.)
The other problem, though, may be a danger sign for you, I don't know: about six months or a year out of warranty (a one or two year warranty, I think) the printer's little video screen went black. So when the printer runs out of ink or when I need to reconfigure it I'm always "flying by wire": using the (admittedly excellent) user's guide to walk through menus without any visual feedback from the printer to indicate where I am in the menu tree. It's a testament to the clarity of the user's guide that I've been able to do so with a minimum of frustration.
This said, I agree with the others about HP's drivers. And the extra software they dump on the computer for operating the scanner is now MUCH BETTER than it was when we bought the computer. They updated it for Tiger, repairing a memory leak in an app that was originally supposed to run in the background all the time (a bit of a disaster, but now thankfully not a problem). So a qualified "thumbs up" from a guy who's never had a device give him as much trouble as his damned but beloved HP PSC 2510.
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#20 2006-08-01 9:05 pm
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the one nice thing i like about HP inkjets is that the printheads are in the ink cartridges, which means a plugged head is easily replaced, nice 
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#22 2007-02-21 1:11 pm
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Which printer did you end up liking the best? I'm in roughly the same position as you. Would like a scanner/printer combo, have limited space and would prefer dyes for photo printing. I'd be grateful to here find out your final analysis...
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#23 2007-02-21 1:58 pm
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It's policy to kill topics that are brought back after 2 months of no posting. I
will answer while doing that. I ended up getting the HP Photosmart c3140 All-in-one.
Commercially it's been replaced with the nearly identical HP Photosmart c3180 All-in-One.
It's been working a lot better than my older HP PSC did. Just be sure to print something once a week whether you "need to" or not. You'll have to clean your print heads far less often and use far less ink as a result.
In the future please start a new topic and link to the original in there and/or try to PM the person directly.
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