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henebry wrote:

Why did Avie T oppose Fixxing the F_ing Finder? I mean, what sort of argument did he make? Simplicity of use? Scarce resources needed elsewhere?

He was entirely NeXT oriented and had no love at all for the spacial Finder concept that was central to the Mac UI philosophy. I am sure it was his influence that prevented the selection of anything but column view as the Finders view.
Allowing people to select icon or list view would have made it possible to use the OSX Finder like the classic Finder and he couldnt have that.

Shadowless wrote:

Don't we have those options now?

No

C. Ives wrote:

*checks the finder*

as Icons
as List
as Columns

. . . . Am I missing something?

Yes, the only global setting available in the Finder prefs is Column. You are looking at individual window settings which are different than the global setting and are also very unreliable.

NAG wrote:

It hasn't been unreliable for me.

I find the Finder to be broken to the core if you compare it to the absolute reliability of the old Finder.
The new Finder has some nifty features that sometimes mask its basic craptacularity but all in all the OSX Finder is a crude, blunt instrument compared to the old one.

NAG wrote:

It hasn't been unreliable for me.

Well he used to have a point. Up until about 10.3 folders often didn't keep their view preferences. I think it was some wacky permission error. If these things still persist on a machine, it is likely due to a hold over/corruption or something like that from a previous version of OS X.

The main thing I have issue with in the Finder is that you can't upload to FTP. Kind of annoying.

You can uncheck the column's option if you like, can you not?  Hey, you get at least two options.

Why do you want the list view? It still sucks compared to Windows' list view.

EDIT:

You might also look here, Pariah.  You might find a hidden setting flag that would help you in your quest for alternative finder view modes.

Last edited by DudetheCreator (2006-08-04 7:24 pm)

The unreliability thing is much improved in 10.4 but I still get it a fair amount. I would say about 1/2 the time a folder I had open on my second screen will open the next time on my main screen in default view.
The point is fully 6 years into OSX these sorts of things should be distant memories by now. Instead what we have seen is the adding on of features (nice features dont get me wrong) but basic flaws have lingered on and on and on. Continuing sluggishness, choking on large scale file moves and deletions, the networking bug.
The thing is the former Finder was really the flagship example of truly excellent, detail oriented coding. The old Finder did not do all the little tricks the new on does but the old one did what it did flawlessly.
I am hardly alone in noticing this. If I were FTFF wouldn't have become a common acronym.

My biggest finder gripe is when a remote server disappears and the finder goes on a six-minute spinning beachball quest to look for it.

NAG wrote:

So, are you going to actually respond to my post about how folders keep their view preferences since 10.3 or are you just going to say the same "the finder is broke, the finder is broken, the finder is broken" over and over and hope you end up in Kansas?

Hey! The Finder works fine for us Kansans!

Yes, the Finder needs a thick coat of varnish.

Back on topic, there's two things that caught my attention.  The first is what appears to be a green Core Graphics icon underneath the MacBook, though this would be easier to verify if the larger pic were available.  I'm not sure what this means, but hopefully it means Apple fixed OpenGL.  The second is the hopelessly cut-off text "...nt platform."  Hopefully it says "software independent platform," indicating seamless native execution of Windows apps, but I won't hold my breath.

gozer wrote:

i hate the way windows handles maximize/minimize

Yeah, full-screen all the time sucks, esp since very few apps actually need all that space, thereby hindering multi-tasking for no reason at all.  Equally disappointing is the way software designers invariably find ways to fill the empty space with useless crap.  Nevertheless, the OS X zoom button is in need of some sort of consistancy.  Case in point: Safari.

Last edited by Mr. T (2006-08-04 11:58 pm)

Mr. T wrote:

gozer wrote:

i hate the way windows handles maximize/minimize

Yeah, full-screen all the time sucks, esp since very few apps actually need all that space, thereby hindering multi-tasking for no reason at all.  Equally disappointing is the way software designers invariably find ways to fill the empty space with useless crap.  Nevertheless, the OS X zoom button is in need of some sort of consistancy.  Case in point: Safari.

not using safari, i won't verify this, but i was uder the impression that the zoom button in safari always sized the window to the content inside.