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#26 2006-08-08 9:07 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Pariah wrote:

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I just want a new Finder.
Is that too much to ask for ?

Apparently, sad

You never know Apple did say they had many more changes in the works that they weren't going to show. I think a number of the things they showed at WWDC were for the benefit of other developers in the sense they were ways to enhance the way the other apps can interact with the OS in most case more than a "fixed" finder would. Does this mean they aren't going to fix the finder? No, and noone qualified and/or legally able to tell you otherwise at this point. Does this mean they are going to fix the finder? Again no, and noone qualified and/or legally able to tell you otherwise at this point.

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#27 2006-08-09 9:01 am

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

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Well, in OSX, if a folder is partly off screen and you drag a file to it, it does come fully into view.

Which is kind of the same thing, except for the tabbed bit.

Which was great.

Which I miss.

Kinda. Only used spring loaded folders to launch apps-had the view set to buttons. Was a dock ahead of it's time my old G3. Do I get a credit from that Cupertino lot?

Do I...!

I think you're confusing spring-loaded folders with pop-up folders (where you drag a folder to the edge of the screen and it turns into a tab).

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#28 2006-08-09 9:45 am

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Lew wrote:

Spaceman wrote:

Well, in OSX, if a folder is partly off screen and you drag a file to it, it does come fully into view.

Which is kind of the same thing, except for the tabbed bit.

Which was great.

Which I miss.

Kinda. Only used spring loaded folders to launch apps-had the view set to buttons. Was a dock ahead of it's time my old G3. Do I get a credit from that Cupertino lot?

Do I...!

I think you're confusing spring-loaded folders with pop-up folders (where you drag a folder to the edge of the screen and it turns into a tab).

Spring loaded folders in the Dock would act kinda like pop-up windows, not quite as nice but close enough to make me happy.


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#29 2006-08-09 10:55 am

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Macskeeball wrote:

I take it you haven't used OS 9?

Drag and drop and item onto a folder, hold it for a few seconds, and the folder opens so that you can place the item into it. What were talking about is having this with folders in the Dock.

Well OS X does that, doesn't it (or is a spacebar click required now)?

(I did use OS 9, yes)


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#30 2006-08-09 3:52 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

bratboy wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:

I take it you haven't used OS 9?

Drag and drop and item onto a folder, hold it for a few seconds, and the folder opens so that you can place the item into it. What were talking about is having this with folders in the Dock.

Well OS X does that, doesn't it (or is a spacebar click required now)?

(I did use OS 9, yes)

But does it do that with folders in the Dock?


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#31 2006-08-09 4:01 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Macskeeball wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:

I take it you haven't used OS 9?

Drag and drop and item onto a folder, hold it for a few seconds, and the folder opens so that you can place the item into it. What were talking about is having this with folders in the Dock.

Well OS X does that, doesn't it (or is a spacebar click required now)?

(I did use OS 9, yes)

But does it do that with folders in the Dock?

....I meant that OS X had such folders (meaning experience with OS 9 wouldn't be necessary).

No, obviously folders within the dock do not behave in this way.  No rhetorical question necessary.


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#32 2006-08-09 4:21 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

bratboy wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:

bratboy wrote:


Well OS X does that, doesn't it (or is a spacebar click required now)?

(I did use OS 9, yes)

But does it do that with folders in the Dock?

....I meant that OS X had such folders (meaning experience with OS 9 wouldn't be necessary).

Spring loaded folders in the Dock is what is currently being discussed in this thread. OS 9 experience is necessary because OS 9 had a feature that was similar to that (spring loadable tabs).


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#33 2006-08-09 4:47 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Macskeeball wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:


But does it do that with folders in the Dock?

....I meant that OS X had such folders (meaning experience with OS 9 wouldn't be necessary).

Spring loaded folders in the Dock is what is currently being discussed in this thread. OS 9 experience is necessary because OS 9 had a feature that was similar to that (spring loadable tabs).

Spring loaded folders is more like spring folders in the dock then it is spring loaded tabs.


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#34 2006-08-09 4:59 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Macskeeball wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Macskeeball wrote:


But does it do that with folders in the Dock?

....I meant that OS X had such folders (meaning experience with OS 9 wouldn't be necessary).

Spring loaded folders in the Dock is what is currently being discussed in this thread. OS 9 experience is necessary because OS 9 had a feature that was similar to that (spring loadable tabs).

...and you'll notice that my initial post was in regards to exactly what "spring loaded folders" are.


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#35 2006-08-10 12:30 am

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

MacBoy4139 wrote:

One great thing of Spring Loaded Folders not mentioned here is that if you have a big folder, say the User folder, and want to go a few levels down, you could.  When it was done, it would go away.  That way you didn't have to start say, at the HD level.

I would go even further to say that's the primary use of spring loaded folders.

It is a shame that docked folders do not behave in this way, cause this is one of my favorite features (in the general sense) from Classic Mac OS.  Every now and then, I find myself instinctively holding an item over a docked folder, waiting for it to open; sadly, it never does.  So much for intuition.  But Apple can be a bit slow when it comes to stuff like this, so I remain optimistic for Leopard.  Afterall, we didn't get labels until Panther eek

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#36 2006-08-10 12:40 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

there are a lot of features that weren't covered in the keynote, such as iChat's ability to share your screen with someone, and collaborate on one computer through iChat...frankly I don't see how this is going to work out given how pixelated video chats are...

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#37 2006-08-10 1:18 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

andrewlogan wrote:

there are a lot of features that weren't covered in the keynote, such as iChat's ability to share your screen with someone, and collaborate on one computer through iChat...frankly I don't see how this is going to work out given how pixelated video chats are...

Video chats are pixelated because webcams are all horribly low quality. Screen sharing obviously wouldn't use the webcam.


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#38 2006-08-10 3:47 pm

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#39 2006-08-10 5:42 pm

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WOW!!!!

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#40 2006-08-10 7:45 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Apple Insider is also claiming resolution independence will also be a feature... but I don't see anything to support that claim.

That would be a -huge- feature, as well as something developers would need to know about ASAP.

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#41 2006-08-10 9:24 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

What's the significance of some of those pictures? I don't know what the new features would be.


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#42 2006-08-10 9:36 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

I'll type up a list but it'll take a while unless someone get one up faster.

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#43 2006-08-10 9:38 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Aqua OS X wrote:

Apple Insider is also claiming resolution independence will also be a feature... but I don't see anything to support that claim.

That would be a -huge- feature, as well as something developers would need to know about ASAP.

okay a lot of folks are talking about this and I don't get it.  why is this so great/neat/important?

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#44 2006-08-10 9:42 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

What is exactly wrong with the finder? Seems to be working pretty good to me.

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#45 2006-08-10 10:37 pm

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#46 2006-08-10 10:42 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

barrfid_od wrote:

What is exactly wrong with the finder? Seems to be working pretty good to me.

There are some interface and settings inconsistencies not mention it's tendency to lockup upon unexpected server disconnection.

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#47 2006-08-10 10:47 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Donkey Butter wrote:

Aqua OS X wrote:

Apple Insider is also claiming resolution independence will also be a feature... but I don't see anything to support that claim.

That would be a -huge- feature, as well as something developers would need to know about ASAP.

okay a lot of folks are talking about this and I don't get it.  why is this so great/neat/important?

For a couple of reasons.  First, screen resolutions (in terms of pixels per inch) are constantly increasing and everything looks smaller than it used to, especially on some of the extra-sharp lapop screens (not necessarily Apple-made).  This is especially annoying since my school (as many other institutions) runs its LCDs in below-native resolutions for exactly this reason (and we all know how much non-native sucks on LCDs).  Secondly, I'm tired of explaining to people who use on-screen rulers in their apps why an inch on the screen isn't really an inch.  This of course applies to fonts as well.


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#48 2006-08-10 11:03 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

GRID SPACING

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#49 2006-08-10 11:09 pm

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

gozer wrote:

GRID SPACING

I noticed that too.  Good find ScifiterX.  At the pace Apple's going, the OS X Finder will be on par with that of OS 9 by the year 2026.


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#50 2006-08-11 7:51 am

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Re: A Leopard feature not keynoted

Ah, that's nice. The toolbar-fubaring that began in Tiger's Mail is now being extended across the board following the destruction of a really intelligent part of the HIG.


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