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#26 2006-10-02 10:21 pm

Aqua OS X
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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Macskeeball wrote:

Actually, Apple uses the iTunes Store to get people to by iPods. They don't sell iPods to get people to by songs from the music store, because they make much more money on iPods. In the same way, they use OS X to sell Mac hardware. Apple is a hardware company.

They're also no selling music, movies and TV shows at a loss. They do get income from that.

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#27 2006-10-02 10:33 pm

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Macskeeball wrote:

Actually, Apple uses the iTunes Store to get people to by iPods. They don't sell iPods to get people to by songs from the music store, because they make much more money on iPods. In the same way, they use OS X to sell Mac hardware. Apple is a hardware company.

No I've been paying attention to Apple since I was born. Apple is an idea company. And they make products that are cohesive and embody what computing is supposed to be. You might say that Apple is a technological Hybrid, and has been for a long time. They make a complete package. With Hardware and Software that compliment each other, and work together.  And the iPod is one of those types of advents. Apple has what you call synergy

By now I've probably spent more on media for my iPod, from the iTMS, than I spent buying the thing to begin with, perhaps many times over. Which means Apple's real winner is what kiddies? That's right, the media.

If Sony had been able to saturate the market with Beta Max players, and recorders before VHS came along. VHS wouldn't have mattered much because everyone would have already had the Beta Max, which means they would invest in the media for the medium which they had already invested in.

Why do you think it's harder to get a flat-bed scanner anymore. And why are they all built into printers? Because there is no media to sell with a scanner, but if you make it all in one. Then you have something, because then you've locked the customer into buying your media.

And how can they sell OSX to anyone if the Hardware isn't there first.

While their implementations are often proprietary, and kept to themselves. This is what ensures quality of user experience. MS can no longer ensure quality of user experience because they have no control over the hardware the OS runs on. And the more variations of hardware the more difficult it is ti satisfy. This is why you have to be a tech to use windows effectively, or to help others use it effectively.

If MS wants to really have success now, they will need to start making their own hardware that the OS is guarantied to work on. Then they would have something. They lack cohesion, structure, order. They will be assimilated, We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own (lol).

Maybe some one needs to work on de-bunking the MS "compatible" myth. because so far the only thing Windows is compatible with is my foot. There is no MS synergy


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#28 2006-10-02 10:53 pm

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Synergery or not, fro ma buusiness standpoint they make more money on hardware. As for you spending more in the iTunes Store than on your iPod, you != everyone else. Apple makes more money on the iPods. Last I checked, the store barely broke even, while they make large profits on their hardware. Flatbed scanners are not at all hard to find. OS X is the reason people buy Mac hardware in the first place; most computer users in general don't purchase upgrades for their OS and instead just use what came with their computer.


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#29 2006-10-03 1:10 am

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

note to self: The the word "synergy" should only be used during Tony Robins or Donald Trump wealth seminars.

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#30 2006-10-03 6:25 am

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

G5Addict wrote:

You are now "just" getting around to boycotting Wal-Mart?  Hell, I've been doing it for years.

Yep.


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#31 2006-10-03 8:10 am

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Well either way, we should all still at the very least boycott wal-mart DVD's


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#32 2006-10-03 2:50 pm

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Ice Cream Man wrote:

Ok, Europe has been bugging the US to share our DRM technology also. Let's just hand it over. Along with all of our military encryption key technology too.

There should be licensing in place, even the evil empire offers an SDK so that other companies can provide compatible content.

Digital Security for the military has nothing to do with any of this.

I think it is important to differentiate between hardware, and content here. An iPod is not content, it is merely the medium on which the media is played.

Its only compatible with one form of content that is legally obtained on the internet, thats my problem with it. Well that and DRM in general which I feel FairPlay is a complete POS like any and all DRM.

Has this country forgotten what capitalism really is. Not to mention, if I'm not mistaken. It was bill Gates who signed so many companies to exclusively distribute his OS, on their machines. Or did that bit of history get lost in the pages some where.

OS licensing has nothing to do with the iPod or fairplay. The most direct MS technology that could be compared is Secure WMA and I can get the SDK to that online and create compatible software/hardware.

Why don't all the printer companies let after market manufactures have the schematics to the printer cartridges. I mean heck they only made the medium, why not let everyone make the media.  It's the cartridge that ensures the revenue. NOT THE PRINTER

Dude you are all over the map here. Music is not a consumable item that needs to be 'refilled' like printer ink.

Wal-Mart is scared they will loose business. And you don't see Dell whining that Apple should provide crappier customer service, just so Dell can com back up in the ratings.

Agreed, walmart is afraid of losing business and just like Apple strong arms other  companies with fairplay it appears walmart is using their strengths to get leverage. i see nothing wrong with that myself.


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#33 2006-10-07 9:56 am

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Re: BOYCOTT Wal-Mart !!!!

Apple is going to pay Wal-Mart for the privilege of not being knee-capped? The whole thing has a 1930's mafia ring to it, doesn't it? If I'm Steve Jobs, I sign the deal....then sue the smurf out of them.


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