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ShnickyShnack wrote:

:: orders keg of beer and a wheelbarrow full of chips ::

Liar, you don't drink.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

:: orders keg of beer and a wheelbarrow full of chips ::

Liar, you don't drink.

The beer's for Freakoutjackson. He's a hilarious drunk.

might explain the quintuple posts now that I think about it

Pariah wrote:

I sure wish we could have a political discussion without things being derailed by a side bar over what was and was not the habits and views of a bunch of goat herders 2000 years ago.

Somethings wrong.
We're in agreement again.

My bad!

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

I sure wish we could have a political discussion without things being derailed by a side bar over what was and was not the habits and views of a bunch of goat herders 2000 years ago.

Actually, quite a few of them were fishermen.

Goat herders! 

ShnickyShnack wrote:

oatmeal wrote:

resedit wrote:

Actually, quite a few of them were fishermen.

Goat herders! 

As I understand it, there were also a fair amount of whores and sodomites.

Just how old is Bedstuy?



(sorry beddy, it was too good to pass up, you get 1 free pick on somebody card)

Here's another question: whither Karl Rove? Is he soon to be tossed onto the ash heap of hist'ry?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Back on topic ... this is really a vindication of Howard Dean, isn't it? Surely he must bear a measure of responsibility for the reversal of his party's fortune.

His strategy for this election did work. No one can deny that.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

As I type this, the Senate is still up for grabs but the House has been called in favor of the Demmycrats.

What's it all mean? What lessons are there in this, if any?

Personally I think a major lesson is one that has a previous lesson has been reaffirmed: namely, that the American voter is fundamentally conservative. What did the Democrats win on? Traditionally liberal issues like helping the poor, funding education, offering health care? No, it was Iraq, corruption and the economy. Certainly it was rare to hear the dems talk about any of those old standby issues.

Also, there are gargantuan issues that must be dealt with urgently, immediately, in dramatic, thorough ways -- issues like the looming retirement crisis, the exploding debt, the dependance on foreign creditors. These are issues that affect the day-to-day functioning of the United States as a country, not merely emotional subjects like health care and abortion. Will they be dealt with? Methinks not. Hardly anyone seems to care about them. In that sense, I don't expect America to chance course much, if at all, after this election.

Any other takers?

I predicted that the Democrats would win some seats, but not enough to make a big difference, AND WAS I WRONG! That said, I agree with you that there is a majority of conservative voters. You can see that on all the propositions that passed. The Democrats won on the problems the Bush administration has had running the war in Iraq, on the scandals the Republicans have generated, and the excessive spending by Congress and the Bush administration. This "spending" also includes the cash being dropped on the contractors in Iraq.
President Bush has failed to clearly articulate to Americans a good plan to conduct the war in Iraq, nor a possible end to it, and to "real conservative" voters, he is too liberal. What will happen now is that President Bush has a great Congress, one that will help him achieve his plan of "amnesty to illegals." It won't be called "amnesty," but it will be exactly that.

Ra wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

As I type this, the Senate is still up for grabs but the House has been called in favor of the Demmycrats.

What's it all mean? What lessons are there in this, if any?

Personally I think a major lesson is one that has a previous lesson has been reaffirmed: namely, that the American voter is fundamentally conservative. What did the Democrats win on? Traditionally liberal issues like helping the poor, funding education, offering health care? No, it was Iraq, corruption and the economy. Certainly it was rare to hear the dems talk about any of those old standby issues.

Also, there are gargantuan issues that must be dealt with urgently, immediately, in dramatic, thorough ways -- issues like the looming retirement crisis, the exploding debt, the dependance on foreign creditors. These are issues that affect the day-to-day functioning of the United States as a country, not merely emotional subjects like health care and abortion. Will they be dealt with? Methinks not. Hardly anyone seems to care about them. In that sense, I don't expect America to chance course much, if at all, after this election.

Any other takers?

I predicted that the Democrats would win some seats, but not enough to make a big difference, AND WAS I WRONG! That said, I agree with you that there is a majority of conservative voters. You can see that on all the propositions that passed. The Democrats won on the problems the Bush administration has had running the war in Iraq, on the scandals the Republicans have generated, and the excessive spending by Congress and the Bush administration. This "spending" also includes the cash being dropped on the contractors in Iraq.
President Bush has failed to clearly articulate to Americans a good plan to conduct the war in Iraq, nor a possible end to it, and to "real conservative" voters, he is too liberal. What will happen now is that President Bush has a great Congress, one that will help him achieve his plan of "amnesty to illegals." It won't be called "amnesty," but it will be exactly that.

Wow, that's pretty much what Rush Limbaugh says. Word for word.

bedstuy wrote:

Ra wrote:

I agree with you that there is a majority of conservative voters. You can see that on all the propositions that passed.

So how do you account for a defeated abortion ballot in South Dakota?

It went a bit far with no exceptions.

What?  I thought we could "gay marry" wherever we wanted!