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...and most griping that I've heard has to do with electronic voting machines, Kev.  There were numerous problems with them on Tuesday.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

I did notice that all the cries of voter fraud died and there aren't Reps running around screaming for a recount.

There are still several House seats that haven't been decided yet.  There aren't any recounts going on there?  Burns couldn't call for a recount under Montana law.  Allen was 7,000 votes behind.

Surely you're not suggesting that Democrats are more likely than Republicans to demand recounts because of a presidential race that came within a thousand votes in one state?

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.
They congratulated the winner and walked off the stage.
That is different than many instances in the last several elections.
Do you disagree?

Farmerkev wrote:

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.

Are there comparable situations here?

Let's cite exactly what we're talking about.  Did Kerry "scream" and "cry" fraud? 

They congratulated the winner and walked off the stage.
That is different than many instances in the last several elections.
Do you disagree?

What exactly are you talking about?  Be specific.

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

I did notice that all the cries of voter fraud died and there aren't Reps running around screaming for a recount.

There are still several House seats that haven't been decided yet.  There aren't any recounts going on there?  Burns couldn't call for a recount under Montana law.  Allen was 7,000 votes behind.

Surely you're not suggesting that Democrats are more likely than Republicans to demand recounts because of a presidential race that came within a thousand votes in one state?

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.
They congratulated the winner and walked off the stage.
That is different than many instances in the last several elections.
Do you disagree?

The "cries" of fraud were about 1 (twice) particular exceedingly close race.
Perhaps the losers aren't crying fraud because they lost soundly across the board.
or maybe because they were guilty of it (again) and still got thumped.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.

Are there comparable situations here?

Let's cite exactly what we're talking about.  Did Kerry "scream" and "cry" fraud?

I'm pretty sure he's talking about what people are saying on the internet.

So far, I don't think any Republican bloggers have yelled fraud.

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

I did notice that all the cries of voter fraud died and there aren't Reps running around screaming for a recount.

There are still several House seats that haven't been decided yet.  There aren't any recounts going on there?  Burns couldn't call for a recount under Montana law.  Allen was 7,000 votes behind.

Surely you're not suggesting that Democrats are more likely than Republicans to demand recounts because of a presidential race that came within a thousand votes in one state?

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.
They congratulated the winner and walked off the stage.
That is different than many instances in the last several elections.
Do you disagree?

Other than 2000 in FL, where have the democratic candidates pushed for recounts?  Sure some random people on the interweb pushed for it, but for example Kerry conceded quickly even though events in OH certainly could have justified making a case for recounts and investigations.

Allen certainly took his time before conceding and faced a large margin to make up.  The only location this cycle where there is "screaming" for a recount is in FL in Kathryn Harris' old seat where there were large reports of significant machine problems.  A few other locations are going into automatic mandatory recounts, but I really don't see any screaming.

I suppose I should apologize for making that "inserting a special card" joke.

I may have skewed kev's impressions of the feelings of the electorate.

I'm gonna have to take the ball from Kev and run with it.

I honestly felt the Repubsters were pretty classy, especially in the close races. We don't hear shrieking about fraud or conspiracies, which is something we heard plenty of after both 2000 and 2004. They really did gracefully bow out and accept what happened.

Sorry, but I think they deserve some credit for that.

Farmerkev wrote:

Just the general feeling this time.
Nobody is thinking the election was stolen, the results are being accepted as valid.
I think it's a nice change and I noticed it.

Before you implied you were talking about candidates.  Now I'm not sure who you're talking about.

Are you referring only to the 2000 election?  We wouldn't have heard a thing about it had the Supreme Court reached a contrary decision?

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Just the general feeling this time.
Nobody is thinking the election was stolen, the results are being accepted as valid.
I think it's a nice change and I noticed it.

Before you implied you were talking about candidates.  Now I'm not sure who you're talking about.

Are you referring only to the 2000 election?  We wouldn't have heard a thing about it had the Supreme Court reached a contrary decision?

The candidates, the voters who's guy lost, all of them and it's been a lot worse in my memory than what you seem to recall.

Farmerkev wrote:

The candidates, the voters who's guy lost, all of them and it's been a lot worse in my memory than what you seem to recall.

...but nothing specific comes to mind.  That's the message I'm getting here.



I would just like to know what we're specifically talking about.  If any sort of suspected election fraud has occurred, it should be talked about.  If the claims are without merit, then they shouldn't be made.

So am I to understand that the post-election allegations of cheating that I remember from 2000 and 2004 never happened? Is that the argument?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

So am I to understand that the post-election allegations of cheating that I remember from 2000 and 2004 never happened? Is that the argument?

Here's the post I was responding to:

I'm saying I notice that the losers this time are not crying fraud and screaming for recounts.
    They congratulated the winner and walked off the stage.
    That is different than many instances in the last several elections.

Were there "many" instances of candidates "crying fraud" and "screaming for recounts" in 2000 and 2004?