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Well we know the Germans know a thing or two about making people talk ...

Rummy probably belonged to a fraternity.

It wouldn't be anything new.

I like how quickly things are moving on this front.

Universal jurisdiction. Isn't it great?

He's one of our war criminals. Like von Braun.

resedit wrote:

My understanding is that these kind of things happen fairly frequently, and in fact, this same action was threatened several years ago.

The US is not going to allow Rummy to be extradited for any kind of hearings, I guarantee it. Not going to happen.

::Cough::
::Kissinger::
::Cough::

Hey, there's a reason BOTH Rummy and Kissinger have houses in the Dominican Republic.  There's no extradition.

[Tycho?] wrote:

resedit wrote:

My understanding is that these kind of things happen fairly frequently, and in fact, this same action was threatened several years ago.

The US is not going to allow Rummy to be extradited for any kind of hearings, I guarantee it. Not going to happen.

Definately true. Which is a shame. The US talks so much of justice, but when people accuse them of crimes, they are always innocent.

There's a matter of national sovereignty here - and while I do think he strategically messed up in Iraq, he's not guilty of a war crime - and the accusation is nothing less than a blatant abuse of the world court system, the kind of abuse that ultimately will result in its complete dismantling so that it doesn't even exist anymore when it is needed.

Sorry - but using the world court system to make a political statement is just smurfing stupid.

not to mention, if you argue sovereignty, then there will always be that argument, no matter how f'd up the person to be tried. everyone just say no. there. no justice or accountability ever again without occupation. even then, the occupying country has sovereignty, so, no.

resedit wrote:

[Tycho?] wrote:

resedit wrote:

My understanding is that these kind of things happen fairly frequently, and in fact, this same action was threatened several years ago.

The US is not going to allow Rummy to be extradited for any kind of hearings, I guarantee it. Not going to happen.

Definately true. Which is a shame. The US talks so much of justice, but when people accuse them of crimes, they are always innocent.

There's a matter of national sovereignty here - and while I do think he strategically messed up in Iraq, he's not guilty of a war crime - and the accusation is nothing less than a blatant abuse of the world court system, the kind of abuse that ultimately will result in its complete dismantling so that it doesn't even exist anymore when it is needed.

Sorry - but using the world court system to make a political statement is just smurfing stupid.

What? The accusation is that he personally gave the go ahead for torture.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. War crime? By the US? Never, they are automatically innocent in some people's eyes. When, they're not. They are currently engaged in two wars, one of them pretty damn messy. In those sorts of circumstances, war crimes occur. But no, the US could never do something like that. But that opinion is not based on anything except for blind patriotism, or something.

This reminds me a lot of the US trying to get immunity from the world court. They said it was to prevent people from making accusations just for politics, and the similarity of the statement makes me think thats where your argument came from. But the entire concept is rediculous. Would people make accusations based on politics? Probably. But its not like the US is the only one this would appy too. The US wants immunity because it has a tendancy to fight a lot of wars, and it doesn't want anybody looking more closely at these wars, in case the ugly parts (which are in every war) get out in the open.

Is the accusation against Rummy politically based? Perhaps. But this is why courts exist, to collect and review the evidence to see if a person is guilty or not. If he's not guilty of anything he should have no worries.

resedit wrote:

he's not guilty of a war crime - and the accusation is nothing less than a blatant abuse of the world court system, the kind of abuse that ultimately will result in its complete dismantling so that it doesn't even exist anymore when it is needed.

How do you know? Do you have inside information? God, the Republican arrogance is what got your party in trouble in the 1st place. You guys never learn... See ya when you lose in 2008!

I am not guilty, i was only giving orders.