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#1 2006-11-14 3:31 pm

oatmeal
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Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Er... no.  It doesn't. I can't back that up either.

But I'm wondering why everyone else seems to think that it does.

A few months back I went to the college tech store with my wife and bought Adobe CS2 for Mac... for a song.  I was all but jumping up and down, giggling maniacally at the register. 

Now, I use Photoshop just about constantly, but the rest?  It's just kind of stagnated.  I'd feel guilty about spending all the extra money for stuff I didn't use if I hadn't paid less than HALF of the retail price of Photoshop ALONE.  Hell, it was closer to the UPGRADE price of Photoshop alone.  (Now you understand the gigglng.)

So I've had a legit copy of the CS2, but I didn't have much in the way of work to do on it.  Well, a bunch of webmaster/design jobs just fell into my lap a couple of weeks ago.  I'm no pro, but I'm definitely game to try. 

I was asked to do the website for Pike County Arts and Crafts, which I did on my G5 (Dual 1.8 G5 tower with 3GB of DDR SDRAM). 

Then I was asked to revamp two separate websites at work (not online yet).  I opted instead to redesign them from the ground up, inserting text and photo content into entirely new pages.  Thing was, I couldn't bring my desktop to work...

So despite all the hype and bemoaning of how bad Adobe CS2 is in Rosetta, I decided to give it a go on my laptop (MacBook Pro, 2.16gh Core Duo, 1GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM). 

And now, after using most of the components of CS2 pretty freaking extensively on both machines for a couple of weeks (hell, I'm spending my whole work day at this stuff, every day), I don't get it. What's the big performance hit that people are talking about?

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#2 2006-11-14 3:40 pm

oatmeal
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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

I've seen data manipulation done in advertising and in political campaigning, has it inadvertently happened in benchmarking too? 

What do I mean? Well, both of these are the same graph:

http://oatmeal.mafmods.com/images/graph1.pnghttp://oatmeal.mafmods.com/images/graph2.png

The numbers on the right haven't changed any, but it looks like the second one looks like the red one is winning by a HUGE margin. 

Have the numbers gone so high in computing that benchmarking must necessarily crop out the bottom, leaving no real-world difference between the two figures?

Or is it just that I'm not doing enough graphics-intensive stuff?  I mean, I'm using the things nearly constantly but I'm not using any massively complex Photoshop filters.

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#3 2006-11-14 4:04 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

I've been saying it all along, PS runs fine. However, big files and small amounts of RAM have problems. Also running multiple intensive Rossetta apps can slow it down. Overall it works great!


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#4 2006-11-14 4:08 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Well, with 3GB in the tower and 1 in the laptop, I'm not really hurting for RAM at the moment...

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#5 2006-11-14 4:15 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

The only issue I've seen is the bug in Illustrator where it crashes on Pathfinding.


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#6 2006-11-14 4:43 pm

MattElmore
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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

That site hosts with godaddy doesn't it?

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#7 2006-11-14 5:07 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

MattElmore wrote:

That site hosts with godaddy doesn't it?

Hosts, no.  It's domain name is registered there.  (Hosting is on my .Mac account until they find themselves a server.)

Why?

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#8 2006-11-14 6:09 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Well Rosetta is faster nowadays and Apple is shipping faster intel hardware.

That said, as a pro, I definitely noticed a big performance hit when I tested creative suite Rosetta when it was first released.

If you're making a logo in illustrator, or working on a 72 dpi web site in Photoshop, you're probably not going to notice a performance hit. That type of work is not demanding.

Try and build a massive multilayered high resolution poster or billboard with raster graphics, or a massive multi layered user interface with tons of icons and buttons with multiple states. That's really when you start to notice performance differences.

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#9 2006-11-14 9:57 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

The only trouble I'm having is with Version Cue. As far as performance, it seams fine to me.


Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.  -- Isaac Asimov

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#10 2006-11-14 10:04 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

oatmeal wrote:

MattElmore wrote:

That site hosts with godaddy doesn't it?

Hosts, no.  It's domain name is registered there.  (Hosting is on my .Mac account until they find themselves a server.)

Why?

The "forwarding" service godaddy provides has issues with Safari. You have to reload the page at least once, sometimes twice, before it will load.

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#11 2006-11-15 12:36 am

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

I'll second the "Rosetta is faster nowadays" comment, as well as "Macs are faster now."  But also, Photoshop has always stressed RAM more than the CPU, making it unusually quick for a PPC app.


while (1) {fork();}

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#12 2006-11-15 4:42 am

oatmeal
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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Ice Cream Man wrote:

The only trouble I'm having is with Version Cue.

That's true.  Flat out won't work.

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#13 2006-11-15 6:01 am

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Do you actually USE Version Cue? I've never found a way to fit it into my workflow.

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#14 2006-11-15 1:07 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

pottymouth wrote:

Do you actually USE Version Cue? I've never found a way to fit it into my workflow.

I haven't... that's why I kind of forgot about it not working on the MBP until someone else mentioned it.

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#15 2006-11-15 9:46 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

oatmeal wrote:

MattElmore wrote:

That site hosts with godaddy doesn't it?

Hosts, no.  It's domain name is registered there.  (Hosting is on my .Mac account until they find themselves a server.)

Why?

Seriously, though, how did you know?  Do they have a big lag or something?  eek

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#16 2006-11-15 9:49 pm

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

oatmeal wrote:

pottymouth wrote:

Do you actually USE Version Cue? I've never found a way to fit it into my workflow.

I haven't... that's why I kind of forgot about it not working on the MBP until someone else mentioned it.

I don't really use it, there was one time when a function in GoLive(i think, i don't really remember) referenced it and it didn't work. Either way, I disabled it in it's .plist, and disabled it from starting. And I haven't had any problems.


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#17 2006-11-26 5:29 am

reece_james
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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

Ok rendering in Lighwave is about 3 times faster! Overall it is a lot better. A scene I couldn't open as it would just freeze is now editable and renderable. So I'm stoked! Means I don't need to boot into Windows big_smile


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#18 2006-11-26 6:23 am

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Re: Adobe running under Rosetta SUCKS!!!

cool


Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.  -- Isaac Asimov

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