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#1 2006-11-24 8:33 pm

macaddictguy
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working with 2 user accounts

After all this time working with OS X  I finally created another user account giving full admin rights to this new ( actually it's me ) user account. Both user accounts are on the same drive working in Tiger 10.4.8.

However what I was not aware of  is that regardless of which user account I log into the "other" user folders, e.g. Library, are not available to be opened.

If both users have full admin rights why can't each user access each anothers Library, Movie, Music folders and so on?

For example both user's ( me ) use Thurnderbird and FireFox. The second newly created user can not access the Thunderbird and FireFox folders in the first users Library folder to copy them over rather then re-doing all the settings.


Now I understand the purpose of blocking one user from mucking around in
another users file. However when both accounts have full admin privilages then there is a mutual agreement to allow access to each another's files.

Is there some work around to this situation?

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#2 2006-11-25 6:41 am

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

You have to authenticate to muck around in others' stuff.

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#3 2006-11-25 12:35 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

There is an app called Sandbox which lets you edit OS X ACLs. This will let you assign pretty much any level of access you want to anything you choose with frustrating granularity. It isn't as easy as just clicking a button labelled "Read my mind and do what I want" but it seems to work OK here.


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#4 2006-11-25 2:00 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

Alien wrote:

You have to authenticate to muck around in others' stuff.

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What and how do I do that ?

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#5 2006-11-25 7:38 pm

[MA] Flying_Meat
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Re: working with 2 user accounts

macaddictguy wrote:

...then there is a mutual agreement to allow access to each another's files.

erm. no.

there is no mutual agreement.
admins can add stuff to the system.
admins can remove stuff from the system.
admins can change forgotten passwords.
admins can do lots of stuff including change access privileges for files and folders.

but for the most part, admins must authenticate in order to do these types of things.

>>> if you want to provide access for another user, make them part of the same group as your account's stuff and provide read, write, execute privileges as needed. <<<

the whole idea is to have someone make a conscious decision to allow access. you may not care if other users can see your data, but would you care if they changed it? how about if they deleted it?

the system doesn't know you are the user of the only two admin accounts. the presumption is that the files of janeuser are generally safe from userjoe, unless they override the standard access privileges intentionally to get to those files.  so, no. there is no mutual agreement, as far as the system is concerned, with regard to access of disparate admin user's files.

in short, what alien said. tongue wink


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#6 2006-11-27 8:20 am

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

I've been trying to figure out group access, myself.

I've created a new user with a shorter short name that I want to start logging into and now I need to make my new user a member of the same group as my old user so I won't have to go through every file and folder to change permissions. I think it's something that I can do easily on XP Pro, but regular (non-server) OS X does not seem to have the GUI set up for that (for shame!).

I thought about trying Netinfo or Sandbox, but is there is a simple way to set this up?


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#7 2006-11-27 10:03 am

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

NetInfo Manager will let you assign new users to groups.


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#8 2006-11-27 8:13 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

I tried changing the gid to the same number, but no dice. Netinfo certainly does not show you how to do it!

How do you do it?


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#9 2006-11-27 9:09 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

Customization of access on OSX blows and always has. Groups or no groups it is just a pain in the A$$ and does not function well in a multi user LAN/ small office setting allowing everybody full read write access to everything on everybody else's home directory. So if I copy something from my machine to another computers user's home directory they have full read write on it. This should be configurable for OSX out of the box via a GUI and it is not unless you are running Server.

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#10 2006-11-28 11:09 am

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19025

I haven't used it, so let us know if you like it.

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#11 2006-11-28 5:01 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

I've got sandbox, but it really seems oriented to changing perimissions on specific items. I just want to put my new user in the same group as my old user.

Hell, I can do that in Winders!


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#12 2006-11-28 9:15 pm

[MA] Flying_Meat
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Re: working with 2 user accounts

i think that the way to do it is to add the username to the actual group, as opposed to changing the user's gid.
might'a already tried that but, that's how it works when i add active directory accounts to the local admin group.

also, sandbox allows adding "ACLs" to specific items, as well as allowing inheritance of permissions to items below the currently selected folder...

so you coul theoretically assign a number of dispirit permissions to a single folder, and have those permissions propagate to new items therein...

at least that's what it seems like from my 5 minutes of looking at the software.


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#13 2006-11-28 10:42 pm

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

You could use the get info window to change the group (in details of the ownership and permissions section) of the item to admin,  give them read access, then 'apply to enclosed items' to have a whole folder accessible.  Only admin accounts would have access: they would be able to read all files, but would still have to enter an admin password to change or delete them. 

This would have to be done by the user who owns the files.


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#14 2006-11-29 12:39 am

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Re: working with 2 user accounts

See!

This is such a smurfing joke.

APPLE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT USERS NEED!!

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