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Well if you damn liberals would just let us nuke 'um

Thank goodness we FINALLY found Saddam's WMD's today!  Make sure you watch the video too!

Last edited by bedstuy (2006-11-24 11:15 pm)

Farmerkev wrote:

Well if you damn liberals would just let us nuke 'um
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Why the hell do you think we want the troops gone?

Loss aversion and the sunk cost fallacy.

no matter what happens they still died for nothing.

NoExit wrote:

no matter what happens they still died for nothing.

Well, if Iraq miraculously becomes the Denmark of the middle east, or something like that, then one might consider it "something."

However, after days like today with Sunnis bombing a Shiite mosque and killing 200 or so, then Shiites overrunning Sunni neighborhoods and destroying houses and mosques and doing lovely things like burning other people alive...  well, after that sort of day, I have to admit that I sure think that the Dream of Denmark is still quite a long way off.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist...

PHUSMC wrote:

So what?  smurf happens and we can't leave now until it all gets sorted out or my friends died for absolutley nothing.  All of my Marine friends feel the same way.  We want out bad, but not until we can justiffy the deaths of our brothers in arms by getting that nation on it's own feet.

That more or less sums it up. Problem is, the "two feet" thing - probably isn't going to happen. Ever.

I say we give them a deadline to get smurf together and if they can't do it then smurf them.

"A deadline is a wonderful thing." - quote from a journalism professor I knew (once upon a time.)

In this case, it should mean deadline to GET OUT. Start today.

Strategerrie be damned. The electorate set the deadline by voting. (Yes, I know there are a plethora or 'but's....BUT they don't count.)

The discussion of 'deaths in vain'....the comment about already having died for nothing is too sadly accurate. And that's just U.S. soliders. A few Iraqis are in the count, too.
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Just a query: how many from YOUR hometown have not come back? Or come back badly injured. This ' City of Homes' (pop. approx 150, 000) has lost one (to my knowledge; we have a Vietnam memorial w/50 names. Course, that was longer with more troops AND A DRAFT just right for babyboomer demographics).

When will U.S. as a whole start using 'NEVER AGAIN!" as a motto?

I'm the only one to get injured from my hometown of about 2,500.

The way I see it, continuing a pointless, doomed war regardless of the cost means those troops died for nothing.

Farmerkev wrote:

The question now is how to limit the damage and get the best possible outcome for US interests.
That very well may not mean pulling out but instead sticking it out.
To be blunt, more good people dying for this asinine cause might be better.

Unfortunately you don't really define what "sticking it out" would mean.  Clearly it can't mean keeping on exactly as we are.  You'd need, IMO (and I realize militarily that's not much of an opinion) a somewhat largish infusion of troops which would mean asking for a third tour of duty from the Marines.  I don't see any public support for doing this, nor do I see Bush being able to pull this off.  He's simply NOT credible anymore with anyone.

There are really only two choices that I see, and one is completely lacking in any public support.  In a democracy you kind of need to rally public support to do these sort of things.

All I can say is if there is a hell I hope Bush burns for creating this smurf and causing all these pointless deaths.
The sick and sad thing is that even the most optimistic early expectations of how this war would go still wouldn't have been worth one single American life.