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#51 2007-01-03 8:31 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Call me Old School, but THIS SUCKS! Will the MacAddict Forums change too? Is nothing sacred?

BTW, just sent off for my free issue of (ahemm...)Mac|Life. You can't say I'm not willing to open my mind just a little.  hmm

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#52 2007-01-03 9:32 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

I got my copy of Mac Life #1 today and so far my review of it is http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/SplashWhatever.png


PROS

-The thicker pages and larger size are nice.  Makes it a bit more robust and less likely to tear when I flip the pages.

-The Deep Tech section was awesome.  Please add more like it.

-The modding section was nice.

-I like the matte pages.  The reflections on those shiny ones always gave me a headache.


CONS

-The layout on most of the pages is terrible.  Some of the sections look like you cut up the text and pictures and threw them at the page.  I shouldn't have to go hunting for the rest of the paragraph that I am reading.  Case in point is the letters section in the front (Share).  The first letter is broken up into two columns and another letter is smashed in between in a totally different font, color, size, etc.  It may be cutsy, but it is terrible for the reader trying to read the fricking text.  Things need to flow well and be easy to comprehend at a glance.  Having big splashes of color all over the pages may look good to a designer, but it really takes away from the important stuff (i.e. the content).  I simply skipped over a few sections because I was sick of hunting for the content among the decorations.

-Keep to one design theme.  'nuff said.

-Keep the Ads out of my way.  I never read ads, so shoving them in my face only angers me.  Thank god for browsers that strip all the ads off the internet!  At times it seemed like every other page was an ad, and ads that try to look like a magazine article should be banned from existance.  I hate wasting time reading along, only to find it is some company trying to con you into buying their product.

-Stop being Adobe's bitch.  This has been happening for some time.  It seems like nearly every How-To that involves graphics of some sort has a requirement of "Adobe Photoshop (insert latest version here)"  or "Adobe Photoshop Elements", etc.  Why not try to introduce us to some of the alternatives?  I am not going to buy a grossly overpriced program just to make an icon.  There are free and inexpensive options out there, so give them some space in your mag.



As a suggestion, how about adding more tech stuff like that Deep Tech section?  Surely you can find some interesting technical developments/how to's to include to balance all the artsy stuff.  I don't have a problem with the artsy stuff, but you need to realize that there are many Mac users who don't get into graphics, sound, video, etc.  The modding section was great, but how about more general topics in that area as well.  Things like how to properly prep a computer for painting/mod work, how to choose paints, lights, etc for your computer, and how to plan out a mod so you don't end up with a pile of scrap metal/plastic when you are done, are all good to know.  Not everyone will have the computers you feature in your articles, so more generalized info can be a great help.

Overall, I must say that the mag is a bit better than the old, but it has some way to go before I would consider renewing again.  I'll probably keep my current subscription until it runs out, so hopefully things improve before then.  shrug


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#53 2007-01-04 9:33 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

MacAddict was full of information. MacLife is full of -- white space. Big, half empty pages.
And there is far too much leading in the paragraphs. The thin, san serif body font with too much space between the lines is difficult to read.

Count me out. MacWorld, here I come.

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#54 2007-01-04 9:48 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

I haven't posted here in about a year (meat life!), but as one of the early adopters of MacAddict (since issue 1), one of the first Forum Members, and former Moderator (who is still ashamed of creating MiniThink) I felt it necessary to chime in.

The layout of Mac Life is AWFUL! Too much white space is insulting to me as a reader. What, you think I can't read? That words offend me? I paged through half of the magazine and threw it down in disgust.

You make the content look too much like the advertising, a trend that has actually caused me to cancel many magazine subscriptions in the past, and I see no reason not to continue my objection to that stupid, stupid trend.

Boo and shame!

Change the name if you feel you must, but the layout has driven me completely away from what was my favorite magazine.

You're losing this loyal fan.

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#55 2007-01-04 10:58 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

HI ZAPSKI


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#56 2007-01-04 12:38 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Zapski wrote:

You make the content look too much like the advertising, a trend that has actually caused me to cancel many magazine subscriptions in the past, and I see no reason not to continue my objection to that stupid, stupid trend.

That seems to be the number one complaint so far. It seems like there are a bunch of pages that have a small paragraph, a large picture, and a lotta white around everything. While the space might make the design look hip and cool, it doesn't contain any information. Many subscribers pay for the information.

But I don't know if the point of the new layout is to sate past subscribers' tastes or to attract the 'hip and cool,' 'form over function' crowd that might be getting their first Macs now. I would hope that Mac|Life doesn't abandon it's roots... at least the product reviews are still top-notch (and full of information!).


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#57 2007-01-04 5:48 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Orion wrote:

As a suggestion, how about adding more tech stuff like that Deep Tech section?  Surely you can find some interesting technical developments/how to's to include to balance all the artsy stuff.  I don't have a problem with the artsy stuff, but you need to realize that there are many Mac users who don't get into graphics, sound, video, etc.  The modding section was great, but how about more general topics in that area as well.  Things like how to properly prep a computer for painting/mod work, how to choose paints, lights, etc for your computer, and how to plan out a mod so you don't end up with a pile of scrap metal/plastic when you are done, are all good to know.  Not everyone will have the computers you feature in your articles, so more generalized info can be a great help.

Please listen to this guy. I couldn't agree more. More tech, more Unix stuff (I was dissapointed to see Unix University go.) Rik's column is my favorite piece at the moment.  Also, devoting an entire page to contests at the end is kind of lame. Please bring down shutdown. More humor is needed (although I did enjoy Roman's quote, "After 10 years, we realized that our addiction was actually a way of life." lol)

Right now, Mac|Life is nowhere as unique and fun as MacAddict was (though MacAddict has been in the decline ever since MacAddict ditched Max's ratings). In short: more tech, less art, get rid of the similar-looking ads, fill the whitespace with useful information, and I'll probably renew when my subscription's up.

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#58 2007-01-04 8:22 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Zapski wrote:

...The layout of Mac Life is AWFUL! Too much white space is insulting to me as a reader. What, you think I can't read? That words offend me? I paged through half of the magazine and threw it down in disgust...

That just negated all the crowing I read about the magazine having more pages.
nope

(I'm still waiting for my issue, it it doesn't bode well.)

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#59 2007-01-04 11:23 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

mtpalms wrote:

That just negated all the crowing I read about the magazine having more pages.
nope

I saw it coming a mile away. shrug


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#60 2007-01-05 12:57 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

I do like what I've seen of the magazine thus far. Although I didn't know what to think when I tried to open my copy and the cover was stuck to the first page with what looks like a grease spot. I'm hoping it is just stray ink but it was stuck pretty good and it was like a thick grease when I wiped it off with a napkin. It left some nice grease spots on my shiny new magazine too sad

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#61 2007-01-05 9:04 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

justine wrote:

Well, i guess i'm 2 issues behind. I haven't received the January issue, either. :sighs:

I haven't either.... and I'm in "flyover country" (so there goes that theory)

I'm anxious to get my hands on the new mag, I want to see what all the hubub is about.

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#62 2007-01-05 10:09 am

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

MadMan 459 wrote:

I'm anxious to get my hands on the new mag, I want to see what all the hubub is about.


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#63 2007-01-05 3:01 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Didn't the January edition promise a review of portable storage devices to be on page 46 of the new Mac life feb issue?  I was waiting for the feb issue of mac life and I do not see it in there.  Actually there are a few articles that were promised in the Jan issue that are not in the feb issue.  also the cover is different from what the Jan issue said it was going to look like.  what am i missing?

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#64 2007-01-05 3:04 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

As I flip through my issue and read the comments here I think back to MacUser vs Macworld.... I sure hope MacLife isn't headed that way.
I am not much of a forum person, but this got me going today. I have been a Mac person sice the day I convinced my dad to buy one of those new computers after seeing the ad that Sunday. I have had a Mac ever since. For many years I was even Apple Cert....... oh the good old days....

Anyway, I am sure they will listen to what the people who read and buy thier mag say.... they always have... and why would that suddenly change? Nobody can make everybody happy, so no matter what happens someone will not like it....
Maybe some of the changes will just take some getting used to.

I for one prefer having the Unix stuff in there, I feel its an important part of the OS now and should be explored and learned about. Not all of us are Unix savey (yet).


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#65 2007-01-05 3:38 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

I just finished paging through the premiere issue, which arrived in my mailbox today. The very first thing I noticed was the quality of the paper and the larger page size of the magazine -- that is certainly a welcome change. As I make my way through the magazine, though, I noticed that it was fairly unchanged, content-wise. There is a new audio section, and the shutdown page is gone, but everything else seems very familiar. Of course, the magazine is sure to evolve as the new editorial team finds its feet and decides on a new direction, but at this point, I'm willing to re-subscribe to see where it goes.


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#66 2007-01-05 4:44 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

Alien wrote:

So, a California, nay, San Fransisco based magazine changes its name, format, staff, everything, and still some redneck in flyover country gets the premiere issue before the website moderator that lives a couple of blocks from the office, and even the freakin' editor in chief her damn self?

Maybe fido's got a point. Something's terribly amiss, here.

The magazines are probably printed and bulked mailed from some cheap ass place in Nebraska that's why.

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#67 2007-01-05 6:34 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

twnzmom wrote:

Didn't the January edition promise a review of portable storage devices to be on page 46 of the new Mac life feb issue?  I was waiting for the feb issue of mac life and I do not see it in there.  Actually there are a few articles that were promised in the Jan issue that are not in the feb issue.  also the cover is different from what the Jan issue said it was going to look like.  what am i missing?

Not sure where you saw that promise of a portable storage roundup. "Coming Soon" on p11 of Jan/07 doesn't mention anything, and we did print everything mentioned in that box in Feb/07 with the sole exception of the iMovie special-effects how-to, which we had to hold for space but will appear in the Mar/07 issue.

OH, wait. i figured out where the confusion is. The Jan/07 issue did contain a nine-page "preview insert" of Mac|Life, starting on p31. The cover and TOC are both mock-ups just to give you an idea what the new mag would look and feel like (we wouldn't actually print the Feb cover in the Jan magazine and then use it as the cover for Feb...boring!). Rik's editorial on p11 did mention that the TOC wasn't real: "it's there to give you an idea of what kind of articles to expect beginning in February 2007." Sorry if that wasn't clear enough; we probably should have made an additional note on that fake TOC (p32-33) as well.

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#68 2007-01-06 8:38 am

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I have every issue of MacAddict... bought #1, subscribed and bought newstand issues til my subscription kicked in.

I have always recommended MacAddict to the multitudes of new Mac users that I've brought to the fold.

Alas, it appears that with the switch to Maclife, the powers that be have fallen under the misconception (just as Apple has) that *everyone* has broadband-- without regard to the millions of folks that still have to suffer along with dialup.

"The Disc" has been an invaluable resource to me over the years... (Remember System Software updates on the first discs? eek ) providing me with backup copies of all the software I could possibly need.

Without "The Disc", I'm saddened that for the first time since it's inception, my renewal is no longer a "given".

*sigh*
Ah, well... it was fantastic while it lasted.

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#69 2007-01-06 12:29 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

ThrashNeon wrote:

Alas, it appears that with the switch to Maclife, the powers that be have fallen under the misconception (just as Apple has) that *everyone* has broadband-- without regard to the millions of folks that still have to suffer along with dialup.

I'm sorry but even dial-up is not too slow to download the things that you are interested in that would have been included on a disc in the past. Simply start the download while you are making dinner or something similar to that. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would much rather see the time that was spent creating a disc instead spent creating a better website that has more of a tie-in with the magazine content. There are a limited number of resources in any business and I'm sure the magazine industry is tighter than many.

If you like the disc for other reasons that is fine but to use the argument that there are millions of people that still use dial-up is getting old. It is 2007 and even most of those that don't have broadband either have a friend that does or a portable that they can take to a place with free wireless broadband. Heck, take a flash drive to your local library, your office, or your school and you can probably download everything you need and bring it home with you.

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#70 2007-01-06 1:41 pm

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frankly wrote:

I'm sorry but even dial-up is not too slow to download the things that you are interested in that would have been included on a disc in the past. Simply start the download while you are making dinner or something similar to that.

Yeah... like the Quake 4 Demo-- 530MB... I'll get right on that. roll

frankly wrote:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would much rather see the time that was spent creating a disc instead spent creating a better website that has more of a tie-in with the magazine content. There are a limited number of resources in any business and I'm sure the magazine industry is tighter than many.

You speculate on using resources to better the web site, but the site may end up catering to broadband users as well. As a web developer, it would be easy for me to say "Why bother adhering to web standards for the sake of dialup users? EVERBODY has access to broadband. I'll just slap up some bloated IE only Flash site. It's 2007!"

frankly wrote:

If you like the disc for other reasons that is fine but to use the argument that there are millions of people that still use dial-up is getting old. It is 2007 and even most of those that don't have broadband either have a friend that does or a portable that they can take to a place with free wireless broadband. Heck, take a flash drive to your local library, your office, or your school and you can probably download everything you need and bring it home with you.

*shrug* I'm sorry you feel that my argument is "old".

Are there alternatives? Sure. I can jump through any number of hoops to get the content that has been delivered to me for the past 10 years. After all, the nearest town is only 15 miles away from me.

This doesn't change my views on the matter... and you're probly right that Mac|Life will not suffer much from catering only to broadband users. I'm sure they won't even miss my subscription. sad

My point is that the Disc was certainly a compelling reason for me (and I'm sure others) to continue subscribing. Without the disc, I can simply surf the Mac web and use VersionTracker/Macupdate.

btw, I really like the new look/layout of Mac|Life, and wish the publishers much success. I've always enjoyed and respected the personnel and staff of the magazine.

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#71 2007-01-06 1:42 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

frankly wrote:

If you like the disc for other reasons that is fine but to use the argument that there are millions of people that still use dial-up is getting old. It is 2007 and even most of those that don't have broadband either have a friend that does or a portable that they can take to a place with free wireless broadband. Heck, take a flash drive to your local library, your office, or your school and you can probably download everything you need and bring it home with you.

Frank

Actually your reasoning is getting old.  You are among the people who mistakenly believe that broadband is much more widespread in this country than it actually is.  Sure, if you live in a big city you probably have access to all kinds of broadband, provided you can afford it.  If you live in a rural area like I do, however, broadband is a rareity.  Most of the people I know have dialup, and most won't ever see broadband anytime soon.  I finally got wireless "broadband" two years ago.  It is broadband in that its faster than dial up, but it is still incredibly slow compared to DSL or Cable.  I still have to wait for pages to load and for files to download.  When I had dialup, I tried what you suggested with downloading things when I was working on other stuff.  The trouble is that dialup has that small problem of occasionally disconnecting right in the middle of something.  My dialup was horrible because my phone lines are nearly 50 years old and they run through a swamp.


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#72 2007-01-06 2:48 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

frankly wrote:

ThrashNeon wrote:

Alas, it appears that with the switch to Maclife, the powers that be have fallen under the misconception (just as Apple has) that *everyone* has broadband-- without regard to the millions of folks that still have to suffer along with dialup.

I'm sorry but even dial-up is not too slow to download the things that you are interested in that would have been included on a disc in the past. Simply start the download while you are making dinner or something similar to that. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would much rather see the time that was spent creating a disc instead spent creating a better website that has more of a tie-in with the magazine content. There are a limited number of resources in any business and I'm sure the magazine industry is tighter than many.

If you like the disc for other reasons that is fine but to use the argument that there are millions of people that still use dial-up is getting old. It is 2007 and even most of those that don't have broadband either have a friend that does or a portable that they can take to a place with free wireless broadband. Heck, take a flash drive to your local library, your office, or your school and you can probably download everything you need and bring it home with you.

Frank

I remember when OS updates were included on the the Disc. Now, that was handy!

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#73 2007-01-06 7:37 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

And when Apple told MacAddict Magazine to cease and desist distributing Apple updates on the discs?  Now that was a black day, especially since I was still on dial-up with all the related problems.


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#74 2007-01-06 7:51 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

CeeJer53 wrote:

And when Apple told MacAddict Magazine to cease and desist distributing Apple updates on the discs...

It was Apple no longer offering 3rd parties license to distribute their OS updates, not a cease and desist.

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#75 2007-01-06 8:25 pm

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Re: Received Mac|Life No. 1 - post your comments here

mtpalms wrote:

If you like the disc for other reasons that is fine but to use the argument that there are millions of people that still use dial-up is getting old. It is 2007 and even most of those that don't have broadband either have a friend that does or a portable that they can take to a place with free wireless broadband. Heck, take a flash drive to your local library, your office, or your school and you can probably download everything you need and bring it home with you.

Poor dialup users. Now another stumbling block. Will it ever end? So much for convience.
patrickm

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