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#26 2007-01-12 10:01 am

Denali
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Re: House warming tips

resedit wrote:

I thought a friend just bought a new place and you were looking for a good gift.

What to do in cold weather?

I keep my bathroom doors closed and block off the heater vents in them.
Sure, it means I'm cold while taking a dump, but it also means I'm not heating rooms I seldom visit. When taking a shower, the water is warm, and the steam heats up the air in the bathroom anyway.

One thing you might consider for next winter - finance better windows. They will pay for themselves in energy savings. You may be able to do it through your house mortgage company as it adds value to your home.

Check the weather stripping on your doors. Repkace it if it is bad.

And believe it or not - they make insulation that you can put between your outlet/switch cover plates and the outlet/switch - reducing heat lost through them.

We keep the spare bedroom doors closed, as well as the one bathroom we don't use.  The dog uses the other one, so we have to leave it open for him to get water, and to his bed.  The basement door is always left open to get that nice heat from it.  I will even turn the ceiling fan on in the family room to help draw air out of the basement (I think it does) 

Weather stripping was replaced, but still needed in areas.  I will be finishing it today.  We ran out and needed to get more.

I did not know they made insulation for switch plates and covers.  I will have to look into that, because by the front door, there is large amounts of heat loss through the one light switch.  Thanks.

I am looking into replacement windows today for the major rooms we use.  There will be 4 to 6 windows replaced depending on price.  We decided not to do anything with the bathroom, or the spare bedrooms until we really need to, or can afford to.  The furnace is in good condition, and I don't think it needs to be replaced just yet.

I have also been looking into a pella stove.  We may not be able to get one for a year or two, but we may start saving up for one.  Either that, or a regular fireplace because around here, firewood is free if you chop it yourself.

I will bite the bullet and put plastic over the windows today.  IT's too cold not too.  First sign of mold, or moisture though and I will have to do something different.

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#27 2007-01-12 10:30 am

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Re: House warming tips

You've heat loss through a switch?  Hmmm, it sounds like there's little or no insulation in the wall there.  You might consider foaming that area.  Knock out some of the 'washers' on the sides of the box inside the wall.  Inject foam into the wall through those holes.  For safety sake (electrical shorts) any foam that remains in the switch box itself should be broken off and removed.

You could put the plastic on the outside of your windows.  That would work just as well for insuation.  It might also avoid, or at least minimize, mold growth.  For subsequent years, consider installing storm shutters over the summer.  You could put a layer of insulation on the inside surface of the shutters before winter sets in and you close them.

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#28 2007-01-12 10:40 am

Denali
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Re: House warming tips

I'm not sure if it's because the switch works the porch light just on the other side of the wall, or what.  But the sockets along the wall are warm, just threw switch leaks cold air.  I will be doing something to fix that once I get to the home store

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#29 2007-01-12 10:51 am

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Re: House warming tips

So you've got two electical boxes back-to-back that fills the wall space in that spot?  That makes sense.  No insulation in that location means lots of heat loss.  Yeah, I'd see how much foam you can force into the wall and in the tiny space between the two boxes.  During the warmth of mid-day, you might try temporarily removing the exterior light and forcing foam in from that side too.  Some light fixtures have a small amount of fiberglass insulation filling their base, where it attaches to and goes overtop the electrical box in the wall.  You could stuff more fiberglass insulation into this space also.

Unfortunately that spot will probably remain cooler than the rest of the wall.  However much foam you get in there still won't be as well insulated as the rest of the wall.

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#30 2007-01-12 12:49 pm

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Re: House warming tips

I dont understand why the basement is warm when the upstairs is cold. Hot air rises. Attics and second floors are always warmer, and it doesn't sound like there is so much insulation in the floor between the basement and the living area.
Perhaps there is a vent open in the basement, and all the heat is being released there insted of being blown up into the house.
Is the furnace in the basement?


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#31 2007-01-12 1:43 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Agreed Duke . .  unless she's on top of a volcano and that's keeping the basement warm. wink

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#32 2007-01-12 5:37 pm

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Re: House warming tips

DukeofNuke wrote:

I dont understand why the basement is warm when the upstairs is cold. Hot air rises. Attics and second floors are always warmer, and it doesn't sound like there is so much insulation in the floor between the basement and the living area.
Perhaps there is a vent open in the basement, and all the heat is being released there insted of being blown up into the house.
Is the furnace in the basement?

Denali, do you have a cold air return vent in the basement?  If not, you should put one in (it may be as simple as cutting a hole in the cold air return ductwork.  This will help circulate the air in your house.  Also, if there is a temperature imbalance in any part of the house, try closing some of the heating vents in the warmer rooms.  This will force the air to escape into the colder rooms, thus balancing the temperature in the house.


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#33 2007-01-12 6:18 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Nefarious wrote:

justine wrote:

Electric or down blankets for the bed.

and for the living room.   Keep a bedsheet or 2 between the electric blanket and yourself to reduce chance of getting any stray electricity.

And Jammies. An electric blanket can, over time, dries the skin and cause strong and unending itching. I was scratching myself raw. My doctor asked two questions: Electric blanket? Yes. Sleep nude? Yes. His advice? Stop one or the other. So I started wearing jammies in the winter and the itching went away.

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#34 2007-01-12 8:06 pm

Denali
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Re: House warming tips

jeff-o wrote:

DukeofNuke wrote:

I dont understand why the basement is warm when the upstairs is cold. Hot air rises. Attics and second floors are always warmer, and it doesn't sound like there is so much insulation in the floor between the basement and the living area.
Perhaps there is a vent open in the basement, and all the heat is being released there insted of being blown up into the house.
Is the furnace in the basement?

Denali, do you have a cold air return vent in the basement?  If not, you should put one in (it may be as simple as cutting a hole in the cold air return ductwork.  This will help circulate the air in your house.  Also, if there is a temperature imbalance in any part of the house, try closing some of the heating vents in the warmer rooms.  This will force the air to escape into the colder rooms, thus balancing the temperature in the house.

Don't understand it either.  It's just the opposite in the summer. 
Furnace is in the basement, and I'm not sure there is an air return in the furnace room (someone enclosed the furnace and hot water heater in a small, but not to small room.  It is plenty big for everything there.)  We keep the door to this room open as our basement is finished, but currently used for storage.  Vents are also closed off in basement completely as they are not needed.

Another reason the upper 3 levels of the house are so cold is massive air loss through windows.  I just finished putting plastic up over the 3 most troublesome windows.  I had a terrible time doing it myself because the air coming from the outside kept wanting to peel tape off.  I was truly amazed at the amount of air coming through the windows.  I ran out of plastic and tape, so the rest will have to wait. 

I am trying to figure out why in the family room (the floor just above the basement) has very hot air coming out of the vents, same with one level up, but by the time you get to the bedroom, the air feels luke warm.  When I find that answer, I will have something.

We are also talking to someone about windows on Monday.  Any advice about which windows to get for a good price speak up now.  We plan to get lots of quotes for labor and materials, we will try to replace 4 windows in the rooms we use all the time 6 windows if we get the kitchen done (which had the most amount of air loss I noticed while putting up plastic)  The drapes are helping.  You can feel the difference between the front and back, but with the plastic, there is no cold air at all.  Good thing too. I just checked the thermometer outside.  It's reading -5 and it's only 7pm

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#35 2007-01-12 8:31 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Connemara wrote:

I've been thinking about getting a pellet stove installed in my fireplace.  They are about $3,000.00 but a ton of pellets is only around $200.00.

My husband has been a Quadrafire dealer for almost 10 years now. They make wood, gas, and pellet stoves, but their pellet stoves are great.

With wood you have the mess of ashes every day + storing a cord of wood, and a wood stove needs 3 ft of clearance; you could lose almost half your room to one. You have to get up in the morning and stoke it or start it.  But the wood is free. And if the power goes out, you can still have a fire.

A (Quadrafire*) pellet stove needs cleaned about once every 2 to 4 weeks but there's only a cup or two of ashes in the ash tray, it runs on a Honeywell, programmable, or remote control thermostat, wall clearance around the stove is 1 1/2" (yeah, inches ), and if you put it by an exterior wall, you can vent it straight out the back instead having a stovepipe through your ceiling.
But you need electricity for the pellet auger and fans.

*Different pellet stoves have different features, Quads have all of these.

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#36 2007-01-12 8:32 pm

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Re: House warming tips

How many levels is your house?

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#37 2007-01-12 9:42 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Denali, if you're getting that much air through the windows something is wrong.  Are the seals worn excessively?  Perhaps there's some cracks around the frame?

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#38 2007-01-12 9:48 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Get stormpanes.

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#39 2007-01-12 9:51 pm

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Re: House warming tips

The window and door-sized plastic cellophane or whatever it's called can be put on the windows and doors of course.   It was also help reveal where your drafts are.

A smoke candle, as seen on Ask This Old House, will help reveal drafts.

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#40 2007-01-12 10:10 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Denali wrote:

We keep the door to this room open as our basement is finished, but currently used for storage.

Close that door.

Just to see if it changes anything.

BTW, with the temps you guys are having tonight, put on a sweater and some long underwear. Put your biggest stock pot of water on to boil(humid air is warmer). Make some hot cocoa, and cuddle up with that big dog till morning.
We'll be back to check on you in the AM. Good Luck.
P.S. Keep a trickle of water running. You sure don't wan't the water to freeze.


"If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan for dealing with his teeth."
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#41 2007-01-13 12:50 am

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Re: House warming tips

DukeofNuke wrote:

Denali wrote:

We keep the door to this room open as our basement is finished, but currently used for storage.

Close that door.

Just to see if it changes anything.

BTW, with the temps you guys are having tonight, put on a sweater and some long underwear.

Better idea.
Light some candles, pour some wine, and put on the old Barry Manilow LP.


In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#42 2007-01-13 3:55 am

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Re: House warming tips

mix a pinch of nutmeg, a few drops of vanilla extract, a teaspoon of brown sugar, and a slice of soft butter together.  add 2 oz of boiling water and about 1 1/2 - 2 oz of dark rum.  smile


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#43 2007-01-13 7:31 am

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Re: House warming tips

Are you guys seriously asking why the basement stays warm in the winter, but cool in the summer?

Or is just shock that so much heat is being lost through the windows that it's significantly warmer in the basement than upstairs? Every old house I've ever lived in (until and unless it had new windows installed) was the same way.

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#44 2007-01-13 10:25 am

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Re: House warming tips

mtpalms wrote:

But the wood is free.

? Maybe if you have a wood-lot - even then you have the costs of harvesting. that's why the woodstove that someone gave me is still rusting on my carport. I realized how much room I was going to have to make for the thing, having to reline my old old chimney and that I'd have to buy wood. It was OK for Grandma - the back 40 had trees instead of other people's houses.

I think that the ductwork for the house is likely to be poorly designed. The plenum is supposed to be engineered in such a way as to evenly disperse the warm air throughout the system. Either that or you're losing air from leaky ducts.


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#45 2007-01-13 12:41 pm

Denali
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Re: House warming tips

Well, we made it through the night.  I put an extra blanket in the dog's kennel, normally he doesn't like one in there and pulls it out, but not last night.  I added an extra blanket to the bed as well, and was just fine until this morning when I had to get up.

Windows are 30 year old aluminum frame in a house that use to be a rental.  They are difficult to open and close, some you can't open.  You don't need a smoke test to know these things leak bad.  The good news is that after putting plastic around the bedroom window, we hardly felt any cold through the tiny hole we left (later sealed up)  Unlike the kitchen which seems to pour cold air in.  I even checked to make sure the windows were actually closed and locked.  They were.

I like the recipe jkahless and may give it a try tonight.  Husband has to work again tonight, so no one to help me stay warm.  But the rum should help smile

We have plenty of room for a fireplace in the family room.  It would mean moving a few things, but that isn't a problem.  We could even put it in the living room because the only thing above it is an attic area.  We would have to see where the best place to put a stove, or fire place would be for heating the house.

Our house is a tri-level with a basement.  The main level of the house has a kitchen, and living room.  The living room is open to the family room down below.  Would have been nice if they had just made it one big room instead of separating it with stairs.  But it's home, and much nicer than the moldy apartment we use to live in. 

Monday, when husband is off of work, we will be checking the vents to see why there isn't enough hot air making it's way upstairs.  We have also discovered we need to put insulation in the attic access behind the closet wall.  Our cloths are very cold.

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#46 2007-01-13 5:39 pm

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Re: House warming tips

freecat wrote:

Are you guys seriously asking why the basement stays warm in the winter, but cool in the summer?

Yup - the earth is very insulating.


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#47 2007-01-13 5:42 pm

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Re: House warming tips

Sometimes there is more than one filter in a ventilation system.
There may be clogged filters.

Also - the "longer lasting" filters don't save money - the restrict airflow which increases the amount of energy required to heat the home. The shorter lifespan filters don't restrict airflow as much but as a result they need to be changed more often.

I use 3 month filters in my home.


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#48 2007-01-13 11:49 pm

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Re: House warming tips

freecat wrote:

Are you guys seriously asking why the basement stays warm in the winter, but cool in the summer?

Or is just shock that so much heat is being lost through the windows that it's significantly warmer in the basement than upstairs? Every old house I've ever lived in (until and unless it had new windows installed) was the same way.

I picture a whirlwind in your kitchen.
Dishes 'n smurf flyin' around, people hidin' under the table...


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#49 2007-01-14 12:04 am

DukeofNuke
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Re: House warming tips

resedit wrote:

freecat wrote:

Are you guys seriously asking why the basement stays warm in the winter, but cool in the summer?

Yup - the earth is very insulating.

Yeah, the basement should stay comfortable naturally.
I'm thinkin that, if the basement is finished, than it may have been intended as a rec room or somethin', so there may be a vent open, and, if the furnace in in the basement, then, that would make the vent in the basement the one closest to the blower, so, perhaps a disproportionate amount of warmed air may be escaping through that vent. (or open door)
I'm just sayin'

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#50 2007-01-14 2:40 am

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Re: House warming tips

Brrr.. Our heat just went out in our house this morning -- called the maintenance team but they haven't been out yet. It's like 45 F! smurfing cold


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