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#51 2007-01-19 12:44 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
Tallgeese, you need to breath our you'll pass-out.
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#53 2007-01-19 1:16 pm
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#54 2007-01-19 2:07 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
I had to get my girlfriend a job so she could afford to buy me a PowerMAC Book Pro and I couldn't believe how expensive it all was - I was gutted because I had to listen to her bitch about how much it cost and how hard she had to work for it and I'd better be a better boyfriend, blah, blah...
After I got home and sorted her out good, I realised that she hadn't bought me an IPOD! I was fuming. Imagine my horror when I saw that she paid Apple all that money for my PowerMAC Book Pro and then she had to buy me an IPOD. It's not right, she should have bought me an IPOD and Apple should put that on the box.
I told her that I wanted an IPOD or I was leaving her for GOOD. Imagine my horror when I woke up and she was GONE and she had STOLEN my PowerMAC Book Pro that she bought me! It's not right. Apple should have put that on the box.
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#56 2007-01-19 2:35 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
bedstuy wrote:
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#57 2007-01-19 3:47 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
Will the relation to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act mean that it will be free for those outside of the US?
They say that the most secure computer is the one not connected to the internet.
That's why security experts recommend Telstra BigPond.
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#58 2007-01-19 4:02 pm
Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
jb wrote:
Will the relation to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act mean that it will be free for those outside of the US?
Probably not.
It's a paradox of how sharply dull I am.
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#59 2007-01-20 1:42 am
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
So basically you can keep your new Macbook Pro as advertised, with general g/b Airport Extreme, and be totally satisfied with what you paid for and what you received.
Or, you can pay 5 dollars to add a capability to your computer that it otherwise wouldn't have. Sure, it's built in and they are shipping the same exact product regardless of if you want this feature or not.
And it makes sense that they would not advertise the ability to have "n" until their routers could produce "n" because no one would go buy an Airport Extreme with their new "n-capable" system if there is some Belkin router out there that they could get that is a)probably cheaper and b) has this new "n" capability.
So, what they could have done is not implemented the "n" chip until the new Airport Extreme was available, and then suck $79 plus $30 or ($99 for procare) to install the "n" Airport Extreme card into your Macbook Pros. That would be a moneymaking scheme.
What they are doing here is totally legit in my opinion. Giving the customer something for nothing (in reality, that's what is happening, we did not know "n" was really in there) does not happen for major non-software stuff, never! Unless there is a defect or something.
Bad example: You bought a phone from T-Mobile right now, and it was advertised to have "Hi-Speed EDGE!" Then 3G rolls around, and what nobody told you about the phone was that it actually had US 3G technology already built in. No one is going to complain about having to pay an extra 5 bucks to activate 3G! They thought they were going to have to buy a new phone to get that feature!
Do you see where I'm going here? It's late, but I make sense to myself right now...
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#60 2007-01-20 9:00 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
its actually 199¢, not 500¢
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#61 2007-01-20 11:24 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
it also has to do with accounting problems that they would run into if they didn't charge for it.
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#62 2007-01-21 12:22 am
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
Blandford Fly wrote:
I had to get my girlfriend a job so she could afford to buy me a PowerMAC Book Pro and I couldn't believe how expensive it all was - I was gutted because I had to listen to her bitch about how much it cost and how hard she had to work for it and I'd better be a better boyfriend, blah, blah...
what in holy hell
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#63 2007-01-25 7:37 pm
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I rtfa and agree it's a dumb bureaucracy thing. I also think with the SEC at their door Apple going to playing this sort of thing as by the book so they can to keep out of trouble.
All they need to do is hire Bill Gates.
Then they can do all kinds of nasty things with nothing more than a slap on the wrist resulting.
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#64 2007-01-25 7:48 pm
Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
rufio wrote:
Do you see where I'm going here? It's late, but I make sense to myself right now...
Makes sense to me.
People are complaining because they got hardware that is better than they paid for.
That's what doesn't make sense.
So you have to pay a few bucks to enable the feature. Whoopee.
If the feature is something you need, then you would be buying a MORE EXPENSIVE upgrade right now to take advantage of it had your hardware been exactly as described.
Personally I think this is a slick move -
Apple knows people would not have paid more for 802.11n when they shipped the product - just like almost no one paid for gigabit when Apple first started offering gigabit.
But it probably didn't cost Apple too much to just use the better part. So rather than adverise their hardware as 802.11n cauding confusion with people who thought it wouldn't work with their existing hardware (and I think n was not finalized yet) - they sold it as 802.11g which people are willing to pay for, and now that people know they have it already, Apple will be selling a bunch of airports.
People like to use what they already have - even if they didn't need it when they bought it. People don't like to buy what they don't need.
This was a slick move on Apple's part - I'm proud of them.
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For those of you who are bitching - here's the solution:
Don't pay the $5.00 or whatever it is.
Problem solved - you still have exactly what you paid for.
When you move to 802.11n - feel free to shell out $50.00 for a card from someone else.
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#65 2007-01-25 8:55 pm
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First of all res, Har!!!!! That is an ingenious solution but for some reason I feel uneasy about Bill Gates even working at Apple as a janitor mush less in some position they could use him as a scapegoat in.
As far as your last post, I tend to agree, though I still think the bureaucratic BS is a bit lame.
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#66 2007-01-27 2:13 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
It'll be on every major torrent site within minutes of being available from Apple. And even if you do end up paying for it... its only $2. One less pack of gum.. wow.
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#67 2007-01-27 3:36 pm
Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
Why would it be on a Torrent site?
I imagine the driver is pretty small.
Torrent is great for large files, it is completely un-necessary for small files.
It would be funny if some people put trojans up on torrent sites.
Well, funny for me - I suppose not funny for the people who get data loss.
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#68 2007-01-27 4:36 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
I mean on any P2P network. My point is that for those willing to risk viruses and cops being after them, the file will be available for free several minutes after it's announced. Ive seen many small files on torrent sites, by the way.
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#69 2007-01-27 6:58 pm
Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
I suppose there are some losers who would put small files on a torrent site.
It doesn't really make much sense to me though.
The advantages of bt is to reduce the bandwidth costs of large files with many downloaders. Small files with many downloaders really has very little cost, I doubt much if any money would be saved.
bt can also speed up the download of large files if there are other people close to you who have other pieces of the puzzle. In some cases however, standard ftp is actually faster.
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#70 2007-01-27 7:21 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
You're right, but that's not the point. I meant that it would be on Bittorrent and other P2P networks to be available to those not willing to pay the $2. If they simply put it on a website their chance of having Apple's lawyers after them would go from 0.2% to 99.9%.
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#71 2007-01-30 3:53 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
the 802.11n enabler went on sell today at apple.com so it's time to start up those torrents or p2p clients to see if it's there yet.
I'm not saying you should download it as that would be wrong, but just see if it's there.
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#72 2007-01-30 4:44 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
Donkey Butter wrote:
I'm not saying you should download it as that would be wrong, but just see if it's there.
Hahaha typical "avoiding having the cops on my ass" phrase. 
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#73 2007-01-30 4:52 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I'd pay for this. This would be the one time where finding it via P2P or torrent or whatever would be justified in my mind.
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#74 2007-01-30 4:52 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
I'm not saying you should download it as that would be wrong, but just see if it's there.
I don't see anything wrong with downloading it from anywhere. Its a software update to hardware you purchased.
So what if they never advertised the hardware was capable of more when they sold it to you? I flashed the firmware on a Linksys WRT54G V2 with 3rd party firmware that allows the router to do far more than linksys advertised, was that wrong?

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#75 2007-01-30 5:56 pm
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Re: Apple to Charge $5 for .N Wireless Unlock
HackerJax wrote:
I flashed the firmware on a Linksys WRT54G V2 with 3rd party firmware that allows the router to do far more than linksys advertised, was that wrong?
only if the software that allowed you to flash the firmware was ill gotten.
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