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#1 2007-01-18 8:57 pm
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Another Spotlight rant...
Why oh why can I not just find things? I remember a wonderful age where you could just type a letter and it would start narrowing results in the blink of an eye. Not by some insane criteria of what was inside the file, but just by the name of it. You know? The way I name files? Not getting PDFs in far flung areas of my hard drives that share one word within them as the name of the file I am looking for. I can understand the usefulness of Spotlight, but only as a last ditch effort. I saved the file, I named the file, I don't need to put the most exhaustive search imaginable into action across my terabyte of drives just to find it.
Puzzlingly, I can navigate through the finder to the folder that contains the file I've been looking for and then type the name of the file in the top corner as I used to - it can't find it!
I use the privacy option, and it just forgets what I tell it. I don't want to muck around at Unix prompt, I don't want to use a third party finder - I just want it to work like it used to.
I've been using Macs since 1992 and there's a part of me that just assumed this problem would be fixed by Apple back when I installed it for the first time in June 2005. Here it is, over a year annd a half later... ummm? It used to work great, I'd have windows users jaws dropping with the simplicity and genius of it. Now I have a cluster-f*** in the top corner of my screen, a useless text field on my finder windows, and I have to find things manually.
When you first install OSX, you can find things the old way... Then spotlight goes to work destroying (indexing) the ability to find files. There should be some option of just telling spotlight to knock it off. It's great, just not for professional users. It shouldn't be forced on everyone.
...and yes, I posted this to...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
...if you feel as I do, please do the same.
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#2 2007-01-18 9:04 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Chiming in to say I also can't stand Spotlight. Here's a fun trick: try typing the exact name of a file, only without the first letter. Incredible! The amazing disappering file!
I'm a bad speller, and sometimes it's easiest to narrow in on a file by searching for the middle of its name. By taking that away from me Apple actually forced me to organize my files by hand much more.
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#3 2007-01-18 9:11 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Um, yeah, it is all my fault. Spotlight to suck dead goats at me but lately it works just dandy. I guess my Mac somehow stole all the Spotlight goodgood juice from yours'. I don't feel bad about that because it is good for me but it helps me deal with the joy by rubbing it in your faces. I'm a prick, you see.
If it helps, you can clear up some Spotlight wonkiness by deleting the database - much like clearing caches. I know the terminal is bad mojo but the following command will clean things up:
sudo rm -rf /.Spotligtht-V100
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#4 2007-01-18 9:17 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Spotlight is high on my list of reasons I'm still at 10.3.9
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#5 2007-01-18 11:25 pm
Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Maybe I'm using spotlight differently, but i type in what i'm looking for and it comes up with no issues. Whether it be an e-mail, text file or picture, i always get what i'm looking for. I'm kind of confused as to what everyone is missing.
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#6 2007-01-18 11:30 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Spotlight + Finder = sux
Spotlight + Mail = rox
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#7 2007-01-18 11:41 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Avari wrote:
Maybe I'm using spotlight differently, but i type in what i'm looking for and it comes up with no issues. Whether it be an e-mail, text file or picture, i always get what i'm looking for. I'm kind of confused as to what everyone is missing.
You're not using it differently; you just don't have very many files on your system.
The problem is twofold. First, Spotlight doesn't let you narrow your search options at all, which especially sucks if you install Xcode because then you get a sh** load of header files, cpp files, licenses, manuals etc... For users who don't have many files on their systems, spotlight's inflexibility is a non-issue.
Secondly, spotlight simply doesn't always work right, and fixing it periodically is a nusence. Apparently, spotlight's more susceptible to corruption on systems with a lot of files.
There's many more shortcomings as well (such as the inability to search hidden files or system files) but the two I've outlined are the biggest offenders.
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#8 2007-01-18 11:45 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Also, this belongs in rant room. (I make that mistake too sometimes).
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#9 2007-01-19 11:31 am
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Exactly Mr T.
The part that truly blows my mind is how there's no way (that is obvious to me) to quickly find where the files spotlight finds are located. With my backups, I'll find the same file or email 5 times over.
I purchased spotless and deleted indexes on all my drives, and disabled indexing, but left spotlight running. Finder searches seem to be back to normal now. If you type anything into spotlight, it comes up with no results. So it finally has taken it's usefulness out of the negative and has risen to zero - right where I want it.
Searches on our shared network volume is painfully slow, but it will finally give me results - it sounds like EasyFind may aid me in that.
If they want to tout the Mac as being a great business machine, they need an off button on spotlight. 60,000 emails in Entourage, 70% of your terabyte of storage filled, an 80gig itunes library, a 45gig iPhoto library and a 2TB network volume is instant death to spotlight. For my Mom, it works great - she loves it.
Any-who, hopefully my spotless fix will remain working and this post will help others. The idea of paying to disable portions of my OS to make it usable seems completely insane to me.
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#10 2007-01-19 12:29 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
dissimilation wrote:
The part that truly blows my mind is how there's no way (that is obvious to me) to quickly find where the files spotlight finds are located. With my backups, I'll find the same file or email 5 times over.
You Apple-click the file. It's kind of a gray-beard trick though.
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#11 2007-01-19 12:42 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
spotlight needs a serious fixing. when I access spotlight from the menu bar it can't seem to find what I'm looking for, but if I open a finder window and type my search there it finds it right away.
as noted before spotlight needs a way to instantly tell me where a file is located. instead of having to "get info" on each file.
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#12 2007-01-19 12:46 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
I just found out that if you hold the mouse over the name of a file for a second it will pop up the file path. that takes care of one of my complaints.
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#13 2007-01-19 12:46 pm
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
You can hold your mouse over the file and it'll pop a tooltip containing the file's path or you can press command-return to show it in Finder.
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#14 2007-01-19 12:49 pm
Re: Another Spotlight rant...
In Spotlight window mode there's also:
Command-I
Command-R
Right/Control Click for contextual menu and select Get Info...
Right/Control Click for contextual menu and select Reveal in Finder
Click the little circled i on the right
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#15 2007-01-19 10:18 pm
Re: Another Spotlight rant...
It can help to delete the .Spotlight-V100 whatever it is database and let the os rebuild it. It cures ailments. (it's a hidden dir. located at the root of the boot volume)
I make "images" to support new installs of Macs, and before I create the image I delete the spotlight database. This forces each mac to have a new database that tends to actually work when I "migrate" a user that has been active on another Mac. I have had users I have moved to a new machine not find a single document because for whatever reason Spotlight decided not to index the "migrated" user.
I have had very few issues finding my data and I have alot, and multiple drives. This is with middle of word searches and the lot.
However, I do agree it can definitely stand some tweaks, I don't care for the Spotlight window, and that it functions different than the finder spotlight window is my pet peeve with it. I shouldn't have to click an info icon or hover I may need the path elsewhere, when I select the file it should show the path and persist in showing the path.
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#16 2007-01-20 10:11 am
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Re: Another Spotlight rant...
Hovering over or doing a reveal in finder command for even ten files is at best tedious and at worst an open window mess.
I haven't had spotlight work properly for me on my desktop ever. That's a rather bold statement, but it's true. I was really excited when I first installed Tiger and had it start indexing my drives, then I tried using it. When typing in spotlight it would come up with hundreds of results and somehow not find what I was looking for. In the process, my most often used search - narrowing results within a given folder - no longer worked. I could create a folder and put one file in it, then type the name of that file and it would give me the animated scanning icon forever and turn up nothing. What I did with spotless has brought back my search function while spotlight does nothing. No matter how many times I deleted indexes, it was always the same outcome. I know to many it seems like I'm missing out on something, but I need to get work done and spotlight has done nothing to help me and has only hampered my workflow.
...and I wasn't joking, it works great on my Mom's 40gb iBook - but for me at work it's useless.
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