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Freakout Jackson wrote:

Pithecanthropus wrote:

The Blue & Whites have two major problems, their built in Firewire and Ethernet connections don't work in today's world

I stopped upgrading my B&W at 10.3 which it runs acceptably (iTunes and Safari mainly). I wouldn't bother with 10.4 myself. Never had FW or ethernet problems.

Exactly the same here.

The Blue & Whites have two major problems, their built in Firewire and Ethernet connections don't work in today's world

I think you'll find they do. Or at least they did on the two Blue & Whites I've upgraded to 10.4. Which, as has been said above, I thought (to myself) was an exercise in futility. But hey!!

The only issue I had was that on one of them a third party DVD drive had been installed and it wouldn't recognize the 10.4 installer disc. Easy workaround was to put the hard disk in a G5, install 10.4 on there, put the disk back into the G3 and run the updates from that machine.

Feedback is that they are a bit slow. Depends what you want to do with it, I suppose though!

Oh, and stock hard disk space is an issue, too. One of the clients didn't want to spend extra cash upgrading the 6Gb original. So a lot of tinkering was needed to install the minimum amount of system needed to actually run - Monolingual etc, etc. Which cost her more (my time) than a big new hard disk of appropriate size would ever cost nowadays.

>Edit - And stick as much RAM as you can afford in there if you are going to do this.

Last edited by Jonski (2007-01-19 11:25 am)

Pithecanthropus wrote:

It's a 1st Rev.

Don't waste your time.

NAG wrote:

I have installed 10.4 on my first revision blue and white. You just have to make sure you have a large hard drive and lots of ram. It will run slower than most machines but it isn't horrible like some people say.

I've got 10.4 on my B&W with a 60 GB hard drive slaved to the original (with whatever that widget it was that was required to make it work on a Rev 1). 10.4 is on the original drive. I bought a DVD Rom to replace the CD Rom specifically so I could upgrade it. I have to confess,  that all we use it for anymore is web surfing. I wanted to keep it updated though, just in case I need a backup.

I did all the 'speedup' things I could OS-wise, like turning off the genie effect, and it isn't too slow, but I wouldn't want to do any of the audio/video editing or video compressing I do with my G5 on it. I compress movies on my TiBook for my iPod sometimes, and that takes a good 8 - 12 hours.

I take care of 300 +or- mac workstations at work and the oldest machines we put tiger on are the quicksilvers.

Pithecanthropus wrote:

pottymouth wrote:

Or do you mean that your B&W has 2 major problems?

It's a 1st Rev.  As far as I know they all have that problem.

I don't really need to switch from 10.3, I was just curious.

BTW, I forgot to mention that I upgraded the processor a long time ago with a G4 550 Mhz, so slowness is less of a factor than the Firewire business.

The only reason I would upgrade from 10.3 to 10.4 is software support issues.

1st, i have a b&w g3/350.  how do i tell if its a rev 1 g3?  i plan on installing 10.2, but still want to know if for some reason i want to goto 10.4 on it someday.
second, i have 10.4 running on my da g4/466, and it was just fine.  in fact i love 10.4 alot more than 10.3.  and after i upgraded the cpu to 1.467ghz, its even better.  i'd say tthat you should at least have 768mb ram in the da.

Jonski wrote:

Pithecanthropus wrote:

What about my G4 DA at work?

Essentially, all the G4 is is a G3 with AltiVec. It could possibly be worth doing if the machine is up in the higher end of the processor speed range.

No, not quite. With the PPC7410 in the early models (an excellent chip), and the PPC7450 with the 2mb of L3 cache,  a DA is more than worth 10.4, and will run it quite well.

I do recall the rev1 G3s having FireWire and ATA issues, but you have PCI solutions. That, with your 550mhz G4, should run 10.4 just fine. In fact, if you toss a Radeon into the PCI graphics slot, I doubt you'll notice any difference in performance between 10.3 and 10.4.

Antonio wrote:

In fact, if you toss a Radeon into the PCI graphics slot, I doubt you'll notice any difference in performance between 10.3 and 10.4.

Got one.  I'm also maxed out on RAM (1 Gig), and have a 30 gig hard drive.  This is by no means a stock B&W.

I still don't think I'm gonna do it, though.  I've been thinking about saving up my money for a Mini or something anyway.

I use my Mac for web, Illustrator, Photoshop, Band-in-a-Box and iTunes mostly.  I'm not making Shrek 3 here.

I resurected my B&W.  A G3 500mhz a few replacement parts and BOOM!!
Works fine.