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Illegal immigration would not be a problem if more legal Americans would work.

That's the bottom line.  Ever notice that most of the illegals are working in jobs requiring hard labor?  It's because Americans are lazy and won't work these jobs.

Take away the supply of jobs available to them, and you won't have as big a problem.

OK, then show me an illegal working in an office cubicle.  Americans would much rather have those jobs because it requires no physical labor.

Americans need to get off their lazy fat butts if they don't want the immigrants working here.

Anyone who participates in our consumer lifestyle is $upporting illeagal immigration.

Yankee Rose wrote:

Illegal immigration would not be a problem if more legal Americans would work.

That's the bottom line.  Ever notice that most of the illegals are working in jobs requiring hard labor?  It's because Americans are lazy and won't work these jobs.

Take away the supply of jobs available to them, and you won't have as big a problem.

Illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem if companies wouldn't employ illegal workers and then pay them incredibly low wages.  The workers can't complain, or they'll get turned in to INS and shipped back.

Most Americans don't want these jobs because they don't pay a living wage.  Hell, even a lot of office jobs don't pay a living wage anymore.  Income disparity is rapidly becoming a greater issue in this country.

You want Americans to take these jobs?  Then they need to pay benefits (or we need universal healthcare) and decent wages to support a family.  But many of our good paying blue collar and now white collar jobs that people without a college degree (and some with) could do have been lost to automation or outsourcing.  And why pay more when you can hire immigrants for less.  Of course, if people were paid more, then goods and services would cost more, dragging up the cost of living, requiring higher wages, etc.

But it's not just Americans being fat and lazy.

No, but consultations could be done with attorneys in Bangalore...

robco wrote:

Yankee Rose wrote:

Illegal immigration would not be a problem if more legal Americans would work.

That's the bottom line.  Ever notice that most of the illegals are working in jobs requiring hard labor?  It's because Americans are lazy and won't work these jobs.

Take away the supply of jobs available to them, and you won't have as big a problem.

Illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem if companies wouldn't employ illegal workers and then pay them incredibly low wages.  The workers can't complain, or they'll get turned in to INS and shipped back.

Most Americans don't want these jobs because they don't pay a living wage.  Hell, even a lot of office jobs don't pay a living wage anymore.  Income disparity is rapidly becoming a greater issue in this country.

You want Americans to take these jobs?  Then they need to pay benefits (or we need universal healthcare) and decent wages to support a family.  But many of our good paying blue collar and now white collar jobs that people without a college degree (and some with) could do have been lost to automation or outsourcing.  And why pay more when you can hire immigrants for less.  Of course, if people were paid more, then goods and services would cost more, dragging up the cost of living, requiring higher wages, etc.

But it's not just Americans being fat and lazy.

I have to agree with both of you on this, it does have a small portion of us being lazy, but also to the fact that we enjoy these low prices and not a single person wants to have to pay more then they really want.  God knows I want cheap stuff to buy, my car is cheaper because it was made in S.Korea, my electronics are cheaper because they are made in Japan, so I really don't care

If you saw the same hat one made in China for $5 and one made in America for $15 which would you buy?

robco wrote:

No, but consultations could be done with attorneys in Bangalore...

Uh, we write the laws too, don't forget.

robco wrote:

Not all legislators are lawyers.

JOKE. 

I don't see state bars going out of their way to test and license those who don't actually live or work in the state, however...nor do I sense a change in the requirement that an attorney be physically present in the courtroom.

Thus I'm sure I'll be fine....

bratboy wrote:

robco wrote:

No, but consultations could be done with attorneys in Bangalore...

Uh, we write the laws too, don't forget.

Which is an excellent reason to prevent lawyers from being in the legistlatures.

The law is too important to trust to lawyers, to paraphrase another saying.

Ok, bratboy, what we need in this world are smarter intellectuals.

Or, people who can both read and write well.

Or, all the above and they must have common sense.

TimmyD wrote:

If legal citizens work hard and pay lots of taxes, it just plain isn't fair that a little mexican lady can go to texas and work as a cleaning lady and live in our country for free.  That sums it up for me...

she isn't living in the country for free.

I say we seize Mexico.  Then our only problem will be them sneaky Guatemalan immigrants.

robco wrote:

Illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem if companies wouldn't employ illegal workers and then pay them incredibly low wages.  The workers can't complain, or they'll get turned in to INS and shipped back.

Most Americans don't want these jobs because they don't pay a living wage.  Hell, even a lot of office jobs don't pay a living wage anymore.  Income disparity is rapidly becoming a greater issue in this country.

You want Americans to take these jobs?  Then they need to pay benefits (or we need universal healthcare) and decent wages to support a family.  But many of our good paying blue collar and now white collar jobs that people without a college degree (and some with) could do have been lost to automation or outsourcing.  And why pay more when you can hire immigrants for less.  Of course, if people were paid more, then goods and services would cost more, dragging up the cost of living, requiring higher wages, etc.

But it's not just Americans being fat and lazy.

How about Americans who choose welfare over working?  They could take these jobs.  But their point of view is "Why work when the government can pay me?" 

And the "outsourcing" argument is just a lame excuse so corporations can lay blame elsewhere, rather than pay decent wages in the FIRST place.