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#51 2007-03-06 8:53 pm

Steyr AUG
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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

bratboy wrote:

You made it sound as if the "request" is a harmless affair.  I simply pointed out that quite often, it isn't.

How often is quite often?

Have you actually responded at all...either to the question of whether you would allow your car to be searched, or the follow-up question that asked "if so...why?"

As already said, it would depend on the situation. Much like me deciding if I go left right or continue straight on a street depends on the situation.


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#52 2007-03-06 9:04 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Steyr AUG wrote:

How often is quite often?

I don't know.  My knowledge of law enforcement practices and the law regarding them suggests that people often feel obligated to submit to a police officer's requests. Similarly, I believe police officers are so used to hearing "yes" that they feel entitled in such situations. 

I do believe that officers with a "hunch" or those that feel they have been disrespected in some way will go out of their way to make the situation difficult for the person who would not submit to their "request."  I've heard numerous reports of such behavior.

As already said, it would depend on the situation. Much like me deciding if I go left right or continue straight on a street depends on the situation.

In what circumstances would you submit to such a search, then?


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#53 2007-03-06 9:57 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

or those that feel they have been disrespected in some way will go out of their way to make the situation difficult for the person who would not submit to their "request."

That is how I would feel. I usually don't drive somewhere unless I'm going somewhere, and I'm usually late to any place that I go. So if I thought that rejecting an officer's request to search would cause him to drag the process out for spite, I would feel compelled to just let him poke around, find nothing, and leave me alone.


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#54 2007-03-06 10:06 pm

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I don't think they would expect to find anything in my car. It's not like I have any room to hide anything. Not with all those crates of uranium filling up my trunk, anyhow.


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#55 2007-03-06 10:07 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Sorry been under the weather for a few days.

No, I did not have anything to hide in my car. Unless you count burned CDs.

I greatly value a persons right to privacy.


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#56 2007-03-06 10:14 pm

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It should also be noted that you have nothing to lose by refusing to consent to a search. You do, however, have quite a lot to gain should you ever be taken to court over the incident.


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#57 2007-03-07 8:25 am

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

bratboy wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

How often is quite often?

I don't know.  My knowledge of law enforcement practices and the law regarding them suggests that people often feel obligated to submit to a police officer's requests. Similarly, I believe police officers are so used to hearing "yes" that they feel entitled in such situations. 

I do believe that officers with a "hunch" or those that feel they have been disrespected in some way will go out of their way to make the situation difficult for the person who would not submit to their "request."  I've heard numerous reports of such behavior.

As already said, it would depend on the situation. Much like me deciding if I go left right or continue straight on a street depends on the situation.

In what circumstances would you submit to such a search, then?

Under a circumstance where I felt like it. Contrary to what you seem to be thinking, I dont have a preplanned set of conditions to decide if  I let a cop search my car or not. I really dont care either way.

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#58 2007-03-07 8:26 am

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

drfishy520 wrote:

Sorry been under the weather for a few days.

No, I did not have anything to hide in my car. Unless you count burned CDs.

I greatly value a persons right to privacy.

Thanks, thats all I was curious about.


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#59 2007-03-07 8:42 am

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Farmerkev wrote:

So if one of your friends comes up to you and tells you this same story you're not going to ask the same question?

I would think there is a huge different between "friend" and "smurf on the internet".

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#60 2007-03-07 8:44 am

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Alien wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

So if one of your friends comes up to you and tells you this same story you're not going to ask the same question?

I would think there is a huge different between "friend" and "smurf on the internet".

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#61 2007-03-07 12:48 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Its harder for the police to plant evidence if you don't let them into your vehicle.

But there's never been dirty or dishonest police.


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#62 2007-03-07 3:38 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

Steyr AUG wrote:

Under a circumstance where I felt like it. Contrary to what you seem to be thinking, I dont have a preplanned set of conditions to decide if  I let a cop search my car or not. I really dont care either way.

I was just "CURIOUS!"  I did not once claim that you had a "preplanned set of conditions."

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#63 2007-03-07 3:43 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

No. Just in ether-world. It's more fun to watch you jump through hoops here, bratboy.


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#64 2007-03-07 3:48 pm

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Re: I practiced a Civil Liberty

What a punk-ass way of climbing the ranks of "cop-dom". I mean, search enough vehicles in a day and most certainly you will find something. Do it often enough and you'll get a letter of recommendation, maybe a raise or promotion. How easy is that? What a smurfing hero!

Like I said, what a punk-ass way of getting a raise.


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