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#1 2007-03-17 6:44 am
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So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
...who's equipped to play and getting it? With a paid Windows Live/XBL membership, they'll provide dedicated servers so we needn't necessarily even switch MA3 to Halo 2. (Of course you'll need Bootcamp and Vista to run it, and without a Gold membership Net play should be the same as other games, e.g. provide your own server).
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#2 2007-03-17 12:14 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I'll probably get it and give it a try. The only thing I'm really looking forward to is the map editor.
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#3 2007-03-17 8:06 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I have no Vista, and will therefore have no Halo 2 beyond my tree-60. For some time.
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#4 2007-03-18 2:43 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
You've at least heard of the myriad improvements in sound, graphics, load times, save point flexibility, frame rate (60+ vs. 30), res (up to 1920x1200, native widescreen), massive LOD boost (no more scraggly bushes and stick-figure creatures, and targets like Sentinels an AI engages that you can't even see)? No more texture pop in cutscenes, maybe less-aggressive item removal, myriad bug fixes... it's looking like adding up to enough to make it a whole new game. I've tracked everything they've published over time on this. DX9 sweetness, real FSAA... maybe they even fixed that awful gondola ride Havok spawn-wierdness, and with m/kb there's no auto-aim. Frankie's talked about the joys of headshooting Grunties with the carbine, which he was hopeless at with the controller. I doubt any screens released show Campaign.
I still play Campaign. I don't look forward to Vista, but this game is a must for me. I hope over time it gets the clan going again. Custom games and maps on MA3 sound sweet, even with 3 on the horizon. My budget goes here first.
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#5 2007-03-22 9:04 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Vista conversion team Hired Gun talks Achievements at IGN.
About Achievements
While dual-wielding across the campaign or inside a multiplayer match on Windows Vista, Halo players will soon earn achievements for the first time in the game’s history. And while there are a lot of exciting new features in “Halo 2” for Windows Vista, the achievements are one of the most compelling, especially for the gamerscore addict in your family.
Designing Achievements for “Halo 2” for Windows Vista
The Xbox version of “Halo 2” obviously predated the era of the Gamerscore, so this represents one of several compelling reasons to give “Halo 2” another spin. For the team, designing fun and significant rewards in a game that is already well-established was a bit challenging. This was accomplished with the help of the talented staff at Bungie Studios and Hired Gun, with a watchful eye on the latest trends in the gaming community. The achievements were designed with some fundamental goals in mind – keep the game fun, encourage beginners to join our “Halo 2” community, and provide a new challenge with a few tough or interesting achievements for our most dedicated fans.
Achievement Development Process
Designing anything for an existing and best-selling game can be arduous and risky, as options are weighed heavily against already-popular and well-trod game aspects. We started by brainstorming every possible achievement that trickled out of our caffeine-addled minds, and then whittled our list to a beefy 40+ achievements. It was a process we performed in lockstep with Bungie Studios and their designers and producers, through the course of many design meetings and reviews. What we ended up with was a set of achievements that beginners and skilled “Halo 2” players alike will immediately tackle with different results, but we were sure to include several that any veteran will only get to after some serious work.
So easy your n00b buddy could unlock it
Remember the first time you applied sticky grenade to Elite ass, and the ensuing cries of doomed anguish? Yeah, that’s a moment to cherish, and it’s not bad being able to point to a specific record of it. Or how about the first time you finally wielded the sword and started dominating for like 10 seconds? We want to encourage our expanded audience of PC players to enjoy these first moments in “Halo 2” for Windows Vista with a few easy achievements in the game. For pro-style Halo enthusiasts, you’ll see the familiar achievement indicator going off like you won a prize or something. Fear not, though: perfection will be a tall order.
For the more committed “Halo 2” warrior, try and imagine what it might mean to become a Violent Cartographer. *Pssst*! It involves maps and bloodletting.
Campaigning with Achievements
“Halo 2” for Windows Vista offers achievements for all aspects of the game. For campaigners, we have an achievement for finishing each playable level of the campaign, at Normal, Heroic, or Legendary, while you are on Games for Windows – LIVE. It’s like the Achievement system was designed for the very purpose of being able to demonstrate to the world your mettle and grit against Bungie’s awesome A.I. on Legendary. Prepare to throw down.
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#6 2007-03-29 10:51 am
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
When I get a Mac Pro next fall (earliest) I will set up Vista (if able) and run Halo 2. I look forward to seeing some full servers again. The Halo 1 servers are quiet.
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
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#7 2007-03-29 2:19 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I'm prepping the Upgrade machine for a planned dual-boot XP/Vista setup, so I don't have my most capable machine without drivers for peripherals I might want to run. I have to buy Vista anyway, so it really shouldn't cost any more to set up that way.
I think some of the newer wallpapers here might show some of what H2V Campaign may look like (many are 1600x1200). There's only one page showing 15, but keep clicking 'Next' and I think there are 25 all told.
Can't wait to see a destroyed Specter up close in Campaign, all jagged metal outgassing blue plasma. The energy sword should look sweet, too- heck everything should with those improvements. 
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#8 2007-03-29 8:31 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Will this be a PC vs. Xbox multiplayer game?
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#9 2007-03-29 8:35 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Some1 wrote:
Will this be a PC vs. Xbox multiplayer game?
That would be awesome. But, sadly no. 
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#10 2007-03-29 8:44 pm
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Let's see:
No Mac version? Check.
It's only going to be available for the buggiest OS MS has ever released? Check.
No PC vs XBox multiplayer? Check.
Microsoft can lick my unwashed backside.
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#11 2007-03-29 8:49 pm
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Boot Camp supports Vista now. Don't know how well for gaming though. Depending on photography needs (glass) I will be aiming for a Mac Pro at or shortly after the next upgrade.
BTW, here is one of many things consuming my time:
http://www.digitalcorpus.com/image/Show … p-Maui.jpg
(That and working for the Disneyland Resort)
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#12 2007-03-29 10:17 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Digital wrote:
BTW, here is one of many things consuming my time:
http://www.digitalcorpus.com/image/Show … p-Maui.jpg
(That and working for the Disneyland Resort)
That is an awesome shot, and quite hi-res.
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#13 2007-03-29 10:26 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I've been pretty turned off with WoW myself recently. Wouldn't mind getting back into Halo more as long as theres folks around playing. As for Vista, i've been resisting it a lot cause for starters, I don't want to buy another GB of RAM. Then also drivers and such rather blow. Ideally i'd like to get the AM2 upgrade board for my system and move up to the higher speed RAM instead of dumping more into another 2 sticks of PC3200. Maybe even drop in a new PCIe board and move my AGP 7800GS to my Quicksilver. But all that costs a lot more $$$.
I'll have to consider staying with my current setup longer. Would be cheaper at the moment. Maybe I could string it along at 1.5GB RAM for a lil bit and just get some cheaper 256MB chips. But then its still the big cost of Vista.
Hmmm, just realized that after all these upgrades to play H2 on my PC, I could just get an Xbox360 and play H2 on that
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#14 2007-03-30 3:44 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
oatmeal wrote:
Let's see:
No Mac version? Check.
Oats, you're still hot about this? I thought it was settled down in your thread on it sometime back.
It's only going to be available for the buggiest OS MS has ever released? Check.
It's not that bad. It needs some work and more drivers, but it's no train wreck.
It's Vista-only as it's the first game to support Windows Live, which is Vista-only.
No PC vs XBox multiplayer? Check.
There are technical reasons that make sense to me.
Hired Gun: Some of you may already know that Halo 2 for Windows Vista is the first Games for Windows – LIVE title. Hired Gun & Bungie have worked alongside the LIVE team to develop features that were right for Halo, but also ready for the many PC games that I am sure will start to use the service in the future...
...
Hired Gun: Hired Gun and Bungie decided pretty early on to break the ability to play cross platform with the Xbox version. Doing so enabled us to make the security and size changes to map files that allowed custom map creation and sharing over the LIVE service.
http://blogs.ign.com/MGS_HiredGun/2007/03/23/50147/
User-created PC maps trying to load on an Xbox/360 are about the quickest way to crash it I can think of. We had enough trouble getting our own mods to work, back when.
You wouldn't just be planning on a Harry Potter-reading weekend during our first big event like last time, would you?
Digital wrote:
Boot Camp supports Vista now. Don't know how well for gaming though.
It do indeed, in fact
Boot Camp Now Officially supports Windows Vista, Mostly
Version 1.2 of Apple's identity-crisis software now supports the 32-bit versions of Microsoft's latest OS
Owners of Intel-based Macs can now join their PC brethern in rejoicing - or demeaning - Microsoft's latest Windows operating system, Vista. With the release of Boot Camp beta 1.2, Apple has added support for the 32-bit versions of Vista.
While some enterprising souls have managed to install Vista release candidates on their Intel-based Macs prior to this point, Vista's installer and EFI-aware boot code caused its share of problems, and drivers were not fully functional. Boot Camp 1.2 fixes these installation bugs, and adds a nearly full complement of drivers. Audio, video, input and communication devices are all supported, but the Sudden Motion Sensor, Ambient Light Sensor, and S-Video functionality are still absent, so SmackBook fans will have to restrict their technology abuse to OSX.
In addition to the 32-bit restriction, upgrades or multi-disc versions of Vista are not supported. There have been some spotty reports of success with an installation of Windows XP followed by an in-place upgrade to Vista, but Apple makes no mention of this on their websites.
http://www.dailytech.com/Boot+Camp+Now+ … le6717.htm
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I'll have to consider staying with my current setup longer. Would be cheaper at the moment. Maybe I could string it along at 1.5GB RAM for a lil bit and just get some cheaper 256MB chips. But then its still the big cost of Vista.
Vista's your main cost. 1.5GB is enough for Vista, if not ideal. I'll be using 2GBs.
If drivers are a worry, dual-boot XP like me. Home Premium OEM, $120 at Newegg.
Hmmm, just realized that after all these upgrades to play H2 on my PC, I could just get an Xbox360 and play H2 on that
.
Wouldn't look, sound or play half as well. After Halo PC, Xbox Halo... can't do it.
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#15 2007-03-30 5:41 am
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Bat wrote:
You wouldn't just be planning on a Harry Potter-reading weekend during our first big event like last time, would you?
Eh, it worked last time. 

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#16 2007-03-30 8:55 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I'm not shelling out for a new OS just because M$ forces me to if I want to play Halo 2. They can lick my balls for all I care.
Hell, I wouldn't even bother pirating Vista, because everyone I know who uses has either gone back to XP, or wants to go back.
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#17 2007-03-30 10:47 am
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Some1 wrote:
I'm not shelling out for a new OS just because M$ forces me to if I want to play Halo 2. They can lick my balls for all I care.
That's about where I'm sitting now.
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#18 2007-03-30 6:08 pm
Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Well it looks like I'll be buying the XBox 360 Elite here in the next week or two all things considered. As for going live on Live I'll probably have to delay that with the work I'm doing atm.
macmenace wrote:
That is an awesome shot, and quite hi-res.
Thanks. The original is 14000 pixels wide (didn't hurt upscaling 8 pixels) and is comprised of 17 photos. I'm actually about to leave to see where I can get a 6ft by 1ft print of it while seeing how well it upscales.
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#19 2007-03-30 11:27 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Some1 wrote:
I'm not shelling out for a new OS just because M$ forces me to if I want to play Halo 2. They can lick my balls for all I care.
Hell, I wouldn't even bother pirating Vista, because everyone I know who uses has either gone back to XP, or wants to go back.
Yeah we had quite a few on our raid team switch quickly. Last I heard they all dumped Vista and reinstalled XP.
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#20 2007-03-31 12:26 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
oatmeal wrote:
Bat wrote:
You wouldn't just be planning on a Harry Potter-reading weekend during our first big event like last time, would you?
Eh, it worked last time.
It certainly did. You finished your book a few hours earlier and missed almost your last chance of playing with many of us. Makes sense... I guess.
oatmeal wrote:
Some1 wrote:
I'm not shelling out for a new OS just because M$ forces me to if I want to play Halo 2. They can lick my balls for all I care.
That's about where I'm sitting now.
Gee, you guys really should pay more attention to hygiene.

Some1 wrote:
Hell, I wouldn't even bother
Vista, because everyone I know who uses has either gone back to XP, or wants to go back.
A first?.. well, good, you won't even be asking us to run a cracked server this time 'round. Dual-booting will let me 'go back' to XP whenever I want or need to, for those purposes it's still better for.
And of course Halo 2 will be the only game ever to run only on Vista, and Windows Live is a worthless passing phenomenon... like the XBL service it ties into. Wonder why that hasn't flopped already. 
If anyone needs a bit of factual vs. anecdotal info, NC, AT put up a 21 page tech review of Vista performance back on Feb. 1. I'd highlight the areas it shades OSX in, as with Superfetch and Readyboost. At least OSX may catch up there with 10.5.
At least there are all these great games coming to OSX this year... maybe.
At least there will be some of us on MA3, and Campaign'll still do it for me for offline gaming. I'll stop trying to lead the herd to water now.
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#21 2007-04-02 8:32 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Hey, the reason I asked for a cracked server the first time round was because, when Halo 1 was released, I was making the transition from Mac to PC for gaming purposes, and didn't want to buy the Mac version, then have to shell out for the PC version in under two months.
Bat, that was a while ago too, and I havn't been all that active on the forums, I'm surprised you even remember it.
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#22 2007-04-02 12:23 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
I just installed Vista Business on Kira's MBP via Boot Camp 2 days ago. It takes 6+GB to install the OS. I've only got a hair over 2GB remaining on the partition I alloted it. However, the graphics on it are pretty decent.
This one is just a test, though. I'm ordering a Mac Pro as soon as Leopard gets announced (preferably with hardware bumps), and once it arrives I'm going dual-boot with Vista specifically for H2V.
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#23 2007-04-02 4:57 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Some1 wrote:
Hey, the reason I asked for a cracked server the first time round was because, when Halo 1 was released, I was making the transition from Mac to PC for gaming purposes, and didn't want to buy the Mac version, then have to shell out for the PC version in under two months.
Bat, that was a while ago too, and I havn't been all that active on the forums, I'm surprised you even remember it.
Some things from the early days stand out in memory. Also it came up again in Games just a few months ago IIRC.
IcarusFountain wrote:
I just installed Vista Business on Kira's MBP via Boot Camp 2 days ago. It takes 6+GB to install the OS. I've only got a hair over 2GB remaining on the partition I alloted it. However, the graphics on it are pretty decent.
This one is just a test, though. I'm ordering a Mac Pro as soon as Leopard gets announced (preferably with hardware bumps), and once it arrives I'm going dual-boot with Vista specifically for H2V.
Cool. I preordered H2V at Amazon over the weekend ($45 + free S&H), and Vista Home Premium OEM this AM (Newegg)... I have a never-used XP SP2 to dual-boot it with to keep the main machine functional whether or not any peripherals have Vista drivers yet, and being essentially new (plus an old drive or two), I'm off to WFL to see how much space Rib allocated to each OS. Winders seems to have a propensity to grow over time, and the last 8GB partition XP got seems to've nearly filled despite loading most apps onto other partitions. I was thinking 20/40 this time since drives have grown so.
Given the home situation those'll probably be the last leisure expenditures for some time, but needed, sufficient and a learning experience for the cross-platform comp guy. Hardly all play.
Aren't new models expected Tuesday?
Apple to launch Clovertown Mac Pros
Now with white headphones
By Charlie Demerjian: Monday 02 April 2007, 11:03
APPLE WILL LAUNCH Clovertown-based Mac Pros tomorrow.
In a shock to no one, the 2S four-core machines will be touted as the next great thing, during Tuesday's dog and pony show.
Call me crazy, but a standard Intel workstation with a new white badge six months after everyone else doesn't seem half as innovative as the mini. µ
Is that bump enough? 
Wish we could've played, Oats. It was a fun time.
My Hog got stuck in midair at one point between ramps, and I have a screen of me asking, "Harry Potter?" 
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#24 2007-04-02 5:06 pm
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Bat wrote:
Some1 wrote:
Hey, the reason I asked for a cracked server the first time round was because, when Halo 1 was released, I was making the transition from Mac to PC for gaming purposes, and didn't want to buy the Mac version, then have to shell out for the PC version in under two months.
Bat, that was a while ago too, and I havn't been all that active on the forums, I'm surprised you even remember it.Some things from the early days stand out in memory. Also it came up again in Games just a few months ago IIRC.
Anyways you can't prove nuttin', all alleged posts pertaining to my alleged requests for a cracked server must have been lost during the alleged forum crash of last year.
My previous post was purely hypothetical speech.
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#25 2007-04-03 12:01 am
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Re: So, with H2V coming out 5/8...
Sez you... and we don' need no steenkin' proof. No lawyers here, just Clan officers.
'Sides, it's all consistent, like your thread on ripping Bungie's IP into your iTunes library when the soundtrack CD was for sale. Kin you say illegal? I knew that you could. 
Bungie's flaming ninjas have been apprised, and word is Matt Soell haunts the rivers near you, waiting to tromp such as you
into gooey paste... so watch it. 
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