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#1 2007-04-07 10:35 am

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Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Is Tiger 10.4.9 going to help or hinder older Macs? Such as Powerbook G3s, Older G4 towers (Gigabit Ethernet, DA, AGP Graphics, etc.), B&W G3s? What are the pros and cons?

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#2 2007-04-07 10:39 am

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

I notice iTunes 7 video drags from time to time on my 1 Ghz iMac.

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#3 2007-04-08 4:01 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

In and of itself, 10.4.9 should work fine. I hope you have lots of RAM, of course. The main pros, imho, are support for newer versions of various freeware/shareware apps, which sometimes require 10.3 or 10.4. Safari, also.

I was happy with iTunes 2.0. I'm really not too happy with the increasing bloat - I have a 2 GHz machine, a smurfing MP3 player shouldn't lag me.


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#4 2007-04-08 8:31 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

I had Tiger running on a 400mhz G3 Pismo Powerbook and it was OK.  iTunes even worked.

It does feel a whole world faster on my MacBook Pro though.

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#5 2007-04-08 9:45 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

10.4 is faster than 10.3 was on my Gigabyte G4. My understanding is that the optimization in 10.3 benefited both G3 and G4 cpus but the optimization in 10.4 only helped G4s.
10.3 ran surprisingly well on my old G3 266 but I had 640 meg of ram and I think ram is critical. 512 in a bare minimum, like 16meg was in 1998. A gig today is like 32 meg was back then.


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#6 2007-04-09 9:41 am

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

10.4 runs quite well on my Sawtooth G4 with a gig of RAM, 1.5 GHz CPU and Radeon 8500. Even with the original 500 MHz CPU 10.4 is quite acceptable for web browsing, email and so forth. The faster CPU does make a noticeable difference for some stuff though. Saving/compressing big tiff files is much faster. Video crunching and ripping in iTunes seem to pretty much scale with CPU speed. Heavy multi-tasking is much smoother.

On Mother's 512 MB 500 MHz G3 iMac 10.4 is not quite as responsive and saving big tiff files takes several minutes. Coverflow runs smoothly, even in full screen but it is in slow motion. For browsing and email it is usable.


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#7 2007-04-09 11:25 am

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Sounds like most G4s starting at 500 MHZ or above should be ok. Below 500 (G4 sawtooths, PCI graphics, G3s) – slow probably.

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#8 2007-04-09 1:28 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

10.4 was "OK" with my original 400mhz cpu but is really quite nice with my 900mhz upgrade.


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#9 2007-04-09 2:31 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

adamjg wrote:

Sounds like most G4s starting at 500 MHZ or above should be ok. Below 500 (G4 sawtooths, PCI graphics, G3s) – slow probably.

Quartz Extreme graphics are important too. Even with the 1.5 GHz CPU if I swap in the old Rage 128 it feels like the system is swimming in molasses. For UI smoothness and responsiveness the difference between a Radeon 8500 and a Rage128 is like adding another CPU.


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#10 2007-04-09 5:55 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

I have both a Rage 128 Pro and a nVidea Geforce 2 MX (both are at least 5 years old). I also  have a Radeon 7000 but that's old style PCI. It sounds like a the Geforce 2 MX should run Ok with Tiger but not the Rage 128. And does the number of Xs on the system's AGP slot (2x, 4x, etc.) determine Quartz Xtreme's effectiveness?

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#11 2007-04-09 6:01 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

The GF2MX supports Quartz Extreme. I'm pretty sure it will work in either an AGP 2x or 4x slot.


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#12 2007-04-11 2:07 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

my mac was da g4/466, 1gig ram, gf2mx and it ran 10.4 just fine.  sure, some apps took a while to load.  but i'd have ichat, msn messanger, safari, itunes, appleworks, and mail all running at the same time and it still very usable.  then i upped it to a 1.47ghz cpu, 1.5gig ram and a gf6600gs.  vroom it goes now.  much snappier.  no g5 or intel mac, but very good for what i do in imovie, idvd, daz|studio, the gimp and such.  i just wouldn't install 10.4 in a b&w g3 with stock cpu, or any g3 under 600-700mhz.  but that is me.  i can't wait for 10.5 to come out to put on my souped up g4.


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#13 2007-04-12 7:44 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

I was going to install it on my 533 MHZ G4 DA, 768 RAM. I have Panther now. I just don't want to overwhelm it. Maybe I should get a 1 GHZ or higher CPU first or at least up it to 1 GIG RAM or both first.

BTW, is there a way to turn off Dashboard in 10.4? I heard someone mention that was the thing you could do to gain performance. It would be good to know about other options that you can disable (such as filesharing and Appletalk) to increase speed as well.

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#14 2007-04-12 8:11 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

My experience is that each version of OS X felt faster than on a Pismo G3 than the previous version.  Dashboard was a bit of an issue, the system used to chug if I accidentally hit F12.

Not sure if you can nuke it though...

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#15 2007-04-12 8:12 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

If you are happy with Panther on that system then Tiger will be OK too. You will notice a lot of hard disk thrashing and it may seem pretty sluggish for the first few hours. This is Spotlight indexing the hard drive(s). Once indexing is done everything should run pretty much as it did with Panther.

To turn off Dashboard you can use TinkerTool or the Terminal.

defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES

Will disable Dashboard.

defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean NO

Will enable it.


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#16 2007-04-12 8:43 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

What's the most drop-dead price on a 1 GHZ (or higher) G4 processor and where? I'm already aware of OWC, is that the best place? The thing of it is, if I'm going to spend a lot of money (which some of them are) I might as well think about getting a whole new system (new or used). It usually ends up being a better upgrade. That's why I don't want to get carried away on processors. Although, when I upgraded my P3 PC to 1.1 GHZ it only cost like $30 but the speed pick-up was noticable.

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#17 2007-04-12 9:13 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

I can't comment on other brands but I put an OWC 1.5 GHz in my Sawtooth and it just works. No drivers, no firmware upgrades needed, OS X updates don't break it. Plug and play.


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#18 2007-04-12 9:45 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Keep a sharp eye on OWC, they have great clearances from time to time and you can grab upgrades pretty cheap. The 900mhz G4 I bought from them had been $225 but I got it for $125 on clearance.


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#19 2007-04-17 6:39 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

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#20 2007-04-17 7:13 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Hmmmm

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#21 2007-04-17 11:50 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

G3/300 512MB RAM, 20 + 80 GB HD's, SUPER DRIVE...10.4.9 @ 1280x1024@thousands(for speed) 21" Studio Display: very useable.

I run safari and use it as a back up machine for clients. It's a horribly stable setup that somehow keeps going; no matter what I throw at it.

iTunes runs slower, but even with visuals at this color depth, it will even flip through album work useably. I however normally run iTunes in random mode, with the mini-player up. That's outed to a Pioneer Reciver and two 9" cones. It's a multitasking mad haus.


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#22 2007-04-22 12:48 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Does Tiger improve graphics performance over Panther, even on older machines (G3's/G4's). I thought one of the big issues was Core Graphics and Quartz Xtreme, but that's only if you have certain higher model video cards.

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#23 2007-04-22 3:52 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

On the G3 iMac Tiger does not have any graphic performance improvements I can see. The extra stuff like Coverflow may actually slow it down, but that isn't a Tiger specific thing. Basically, Tiger runs about as well as Panther on the two Macs I have access to.


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#24 2007-05-10 4:17 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

Hey everyone! Wow! This is my first post and it looks like a great forum.

I have a G4 at home running 10.4.9 with only 450 mhz. It's a little slow, but to answer your question, yes, you can run Tiger on an old Mac.

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#25 2007-05-10 6:16 pm

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Re: Tiger 10.4.9 on older G3/G4 Macs?

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