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For a minute there, I thought you were referring to his... nevermind...

Yeah, I'm bad.  Sentence me to eternal damnation!  Yes!  I need to say a lot of Our Fathers.  Ooooo and some Hail Mary's too.  I'm a dirty filthy sinner, cleanse me!!

I can see him pimping an iced-out crosier.

I thought that the pope always wore red shoes. Part of the uniform

sturner wrote:

Ahem. Say that to a Sadist and your answer will be a simple, No.

You seem to have some personal insight here...

Yeah, almost as bad as losing the Wonderbread account.

Now there's a priest I could kneel before and ask for absolution.

:::swishes the whip back and forth:::

Welcome to Discipline 101.

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So, according to him the problem is that evolutionary science ignores the supernatural?

Of course it does, material is all we've got.

Oh, and you've just gotta love the "evolutionists" label. Wonder how you say that in Polish?

Tallgeese wrote:

user wrote:

So, according to him the problem is that evolutionary science ignores the supernatural?

Of course it does, material is all we've got.

Oh, and you've just gotta love the "evolutionists" label. Wonder how you say that in Polish?

No, according to him the problem is that many use the science of evolution and natural selection to argue that humans are nothing more than another animal, that there is no soul - philosophical materialism does not ignore the supernatural, it denies the supernatural.

There is no problem with pursuing natural science as long as that pursuit does not have as a goal the denial of the supernatural.

Humans ARE just animals - evolution and biology shows we share a common ancestry and physical characteristics with other primates. There's no physical evidence for a "soul" and it's existence is highly unlikely. If it did exist, monkeys would have one, too.

However, Paul could have rested easy on one point: science does not seek to "deny" the supernatural. Science is simply not concerned with it.

D'Eyncourt wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Not to derail this thread from its wonderful discussion of papal fashion and gay tailors, but here's the quote I was looking for from the last pope on the subject:

"The Church's quarrel with many scientists who call themselves evolutionists is not about evolution itself... but rather about the philosophical materialism that is at the root of so much evolutionary thinking. "

It seems to me that this is the old erroneous equating evolutionary theory with Social Darwinism (which has nothing to do with Darwin excepting misinterpreting "survival of the fittest" as meaning "survival of the strongest").

No, it's a rebuttal to exactly what user is promoting: the idea that evolutionary theory is more than a scientific theory of how organic life in its present state came to be, but can be used to prove atheism/materialism.  user actually demonstrated what the Church is objecting to quite well in the last two posts. A conflation of the science of evolution (accepted by Church) and the philosophy of materialism (obviously not accepted).