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#26 2007-05-24 2:42 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Jim6009 wrote:
Speaking for the schools that still use Macs, canceling both the 17" iMac and the Mini would cause serious financial pain-unless of course some new version if the eMac shows up.
I'm thinking cost wise dropping the 17" would translate to a "meet you halfway there" price drop on the 20". Or they'll offer a similar model with less features.
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#27 2007-05-24 2:55 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Mr. T wrote:
We've been down this road before, but what the hell. It's a new topic, so I'll state it again.
The built-in laptop HD sucks.
Fast laptop HDDs cost more than normal HDDs.
Fast laptop HDDs still suck.
The built-in optical drive sucks.
Fast laptop optical drives cost more than normal optical drives.
Fast laptop optical drives still suck.
You can't upgrade the graphics.
The built-in graphics suck.
You can't install PCI cards:
Sound Cards
ESATA
RAID
PPU
(others might have different cards in mind)
You can't add more than 2GB RAM.
The CD is not a C2D.
It's also not as fast as a normal CD (mobile chip)
+The things you mentioned.
Those are the biggest ones. In a nutshell, a comparably-priced consumer tower would have three times the CPU power, 50x the graphics power, and offer loads more expandability.
Couldnt have summed it up better.
Unless "as small as possible" is a critical mission requirement, which at home it almost never is, the Mini is a little box full of grave sacrifices for no reciprocating gain in value elsewhere.
Thats the thing really. How many Mini buyer thought, gosh, finally, a Mac small enough to fit my needs compared to how many thought finally, a Mac I can afford?
When the Mini came out the big headlines were about the price point NOT the form factor.
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#28 2007-05-24 4:10 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Mr. T wrote:
Some would argue that the TV is the mini's replacement, but I hope that's not true.
Maybe they're going to introduce a monitor with an AirPort card built in that connects wirelessly to your AppleTV (or create a second AppleTV that's more like a Mac Mini that would cost more), and have people use it as an AppleTV and their computer.
But then again that's probably pure crazy talk.
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#29 2007-05-24 5:15 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
mini = stationary iBook needing a KVM.
neither ranks on my list.
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#30 2007-05-24 8:47 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
As far as I can tell the Mini has never been anything but an elaborate, customer funded demonstration of Apple's lack of interest in the low-end market. The artistry of getting wannabe low-end customers to pay premium prices for a sub-basic system is tear-jerkingly beautiful.
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#31 2007-05-25 11:36 am
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
About education, remember Apple usually sells a different line to schools that isn't available to the general public.
Also the mac mini when spec'ed similarly to an iMac doesn't really save you any money (as in it costs more). It is an interesting concept but doesn't really play out well.
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#32 2007-05-25 11:41 am
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
NAG wrote:
About education, remember Apple usually sells a different line to schools that isn't available to the general public.
That really hasn't been true for years. The eMac was the last EDU only Mac and that was taken mainstream. You have to go all the way back to the "Molar Mac" G3 All In One to find a truly EDU only Mac.
Apple would have to create a new EDU line if they were going to go that way.
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#33 2007-05-25 11:43 am
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Pariah, do you work at an educational institution and get emails from Apple about this sort of stuff?
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#34 2007-05-25 10:40 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
NAG wrote:
Pariah, do you work at an educational institution and get emails from Apple about this sort of stuff?
Um...Ya dont need to have any special connections to know that Apple doesnt have any "secret" EDU only Macs.
They just don't.
Now they certainly offer bulk purchase deals and such but it's all the same Macs we can buy.
Now back in the BSJ (before Steve Jobs) Apple had a stpid complicated lineup with a fair number of special EDU models, but that is ancient history.
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#35 2007-05-25 10:57 pm
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You do realize your needle is stuck and NAG works at a university in Washington.
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#36 2007-05-25 11:30 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
ScifiterX wrote:
You do realize your needle is stuck & NAG works at a university in Washington.
Needle...
Hey, if Apple does have an EDU line that I have somehow not heard of I would be interested to hear about it.
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#37 2007-05-25 11:35 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
i think particular configs and prices that NAG refers to are things that are only available in a "B2B" scenario, not in regards to the education section of the Apple store that's publicly available to us
so your both right.
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#38 2007-05-25 11:42 pm
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What the gun-toting priest said.
And as far as the needle comment goes you've slipped in your "'Steve Jobs...' *zwip*" "'Steve Jobs...' *zwip*" "'Steve Jobs...' *zwip*" loop. We're all aware of your opinions on him and you repeating them aren't going to make them any more or less true.
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#39 2007-05-26 5:15 am
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
The mini has never satisfied the needs of the "I want a consumer mac tower"-crowd, but has been succesful in the living room (I'm using a ppc mini in my home cinema system).
It would make a lot of sense to make the Apple TV API public so 3rd party application developers could make plugins that could be distributed through iTunes. This way the Apple TV would fit the market where the mini had success even better.
The gap left in between the Apple TV and iMac left by dropping the Mini could be filled with a sligtly larger "Mac" wich could essentially be an iMac without the screen and a replaceable video card. It would be cheaper to manufacture than the mini and give customers a bit more bang for the buck. Sell these for $600 ($500 edu) and Apple would have a hit.
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#40 2007-05-26 2:36 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Wow...talk about being in the minority.
I use a a CoreDuo mini at work. It was a replacement for my Windows box that was flaking out daily. I requested a Mac, and since I already had a nice keyboard, mouse, and 20" monitor, a mini worked out great. Since then we've added a 2nd Mac user at work, this after seeing me with a mini.
Use the mini for publication production, audio editing, video editing, lite graphics (Photoshop), and I have to run Windows for several apps. I don't really experience any slowdowns, hangups, or quirks; the graphics are fine for what I do; the mini doesn't feel "slow" at all; and it networks seamlessly with the work Exchange server and I haven't had any issues with it at all.
I guess I'm not a "Power User" in terms of Macs. I'd love to upgrade my iBook someday when I have the money, but it works great & I have zero complaints about my mini at work.
I like the mini so much I too am considering one as a "home entertainment" hub. It's easy to upgrade the HDD and add some RAM, and I don't need to run CS3 or FCP or anything like that on it at home. I have a nice TV already, and it'd be cool to surf the web & stuff in my living room. For me, a Mac mini is a great value...especially because I don't need an LCD, higher-end graphics than a mini can offer, or 16GB or RAM.
Guess everyone's "needs" are different. I'm a fan of the mini now, and would be bummed out if it's discontinued.
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#41 2007-05-26 4:23 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
All I want is one more revision with a dedicated graphics card, Core 2 Duo, a gig of RAM standard and a price of $500.
I don't care about the HD.
One more before it goes away please? One more?
Then the original came out the first thing I said was "Finally. I'm getting one. And I will buy every revision that comes out to constantly be up to date."
Of course I am still using my original mini. The first real revision was to Intel and the price jumped. I said "Screw that. For one thing, I can't even use my old RAM anymore so it'd end up costing almost as much as an iBook if not more and one of those can drive a second display." So here I sit still on my original G4 mini. Probably going to buy a, well, a MacBook, because that seems to be the way it's going. I'd like to save money, I don't NEED a 'Book, but I'll get it just to have a cheap but powerful replacement as a main computer.
It's your move, Apple. One more update. WWDC please? "One more thing... New mini update with dedicated graphics and 1GB RAM standard. $499."
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#42 2007-05-26 7:36 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
BearsFan34 wrote:
Wow...talk about being in the minority.
I use a a CoreDuo mini at work...
I wonder if all the people that hate the Mac mini have actually used it. I too use a Mac mini at work every day, and it's a fine little computer. I honestly have a VERY hard time beliving that Apple would remove the Mac mini and not put anything there to replace it.
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#43 2007-05-26 7:38 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
I agree with Jasoco, if apple put better graphics and a C2D in there for around the same price, it would be an awsome buy.
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#44 2007-05-26 8:28 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
lord funk wrote:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/05/24/closing_the_book_on_apples_mac_mini.html
This is some seriously lame crap.
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#45 2007-05-26 9:15 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
At least one commenter there basically suspects the article was something made up to draw hits. Honestly I'm not sure he/she was wrong. I get a Dvorak-style vibe and even if I didn't, my observation is about half the time AI rumors come to not.
Still I agree the Mini needs a little bang for the buck but even without it I'd be more than happy with one.
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#46 2007-05-26 9:44 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
NightCougar_37 wrote:
*Places Cube Forever, Mini Never bumper sticker on car then drives away celebrating*
Drives away? From what? The forum?
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#47 2007-05-26 11:24 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
Did anyone even read the article? Nowhere does AI imply that it is anything other than speculation. It's not even a rumor. They're not citing secret sources or anything, just making a guess and analyzing the status of the Mini. Most people on this and the AppleRumors forum seem to think it's a done deal.
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#48 2007-05-27 12:33 pm
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Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
kman wrote:
Did anyone even read the article? Nowhere does AI imply that it is anything other than speculation. It's not even a rumor. They're not citing secret sources or anything, just making a guess and analyzing the status of the Mini. Most people on this and the AppleRumors forum seem to think it's a done deal.
Therefore, it comes as little surprise that sources, for whom AppleInsider holds the utmost respect, are now pointing towards the mini's impending demise.
We all know to take even this with a hunk of salt, but they do cite a 'secret source.'
PackersFan34 wrote:
I like the mini so much I too am considering one as a "home entertainment" hub.
I agree, and I'm finally in the market. And I'm also in the minority because if Apple DOES release the headless iMac, unless it's at the same price as the mini I'm still going to get the canceled mini. Because for watching movies, I don't need all the extra crap. I'll spend even the $100 saved on more HD space, or something.
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#49 2007-05-27 1:23 pm
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It's funny because I have plans for a computer based home entertainment system and I am frustrated because I see the Mini as being quite unsuitable for that task.
I haven't even begun to accumulate multi-media in earnest and out of the box a new mini lacks the storage capacity for the stuff I already have and I dislike the idea of a kludge of external drives with the attendant extra cables and plugs. Do they even make 350gig laptop drives?
Because if this I am probly going to end up building my system around a small form factor PC instead because thats the only way I can get the storage I need in a tidy, compact little machine.
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#50 2007-05-27 2:22 pm
Re: Mac mini to be canceled?
The current laptop drive ceiling is 250 GB, which it was just raised to. Even the currently more expensive SSDs, which exceed 10K RPM desktop drive performance, are currently limited to 160 GB for a 2.5" configuration. 3.5" drives yield a ceiling of 750 GB HD / 512 GB SSD.
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